how about zero and yuki both end up being humans agian as a tragic ending?

Ok well i was thinking.. if Juuri could change yuki back into a human with a spell, kaname could do that too? And then get some other pureblood to turn zero into a human again? See here was a tragic possible ending i was thinking of. :

Kaname wants to rid the world of purebloods. And had originally planned to sacrificed himself, before the hooded lady. So to rid the world of publoods he decides to turn yuki back into a human because that would cost him his life in the end. Before he changes her, he would hug her and tell her that he loves her, but before yuki could protest he erases her memories that contain him in it, that way she could never remember him again even if she tried. And she falls in his arms. He walks towards zero and tells him, that he will erase every memory of himself from zero. But he would not erase what he was going to tell him next. " Make sure to make yuki's life happy, when i can not. " He erases zeros memory including the memory of shizuka killing his family. As something nice to do.
Zero falls to the floor. Kaname tells all the hunters to never mention his name to yuki or to anyone in sake for peace. All hunters agree. Kaname and lets say sara hold yuki and zero up and cast the spell. Both purebloods die. Zero and yuki are taken to another room. Hunters thank them for what they did, and berry them near the hunters grave yard, as a sign of peace and thanks. Hours pass and yuki and zero both wake up. Not knowing a thing that happened... They walk out the room, and see hunters every where, yuki and zero asked what happened... Kien says that they just got knocked out from a vampires power..and they believe in it. Zero and yuki walk out to an open field, and see two graves. They said "here lies a two great hero's who helped made peace between vampires and humans."
"We did it zero...there's peace now." yuki said with a smile. "ya we did.." zero said with a smirk remembering random words about keeping yuki happy from someone.. Yuki and zero bow and prayed for the people they didn't even know...
The story of a man unnamed spread threw every hunter, and how great he was. As well did every vampire know the story as well, but could not mention a word to yuki and zero..... in honor of there great King and Qeen of pure bloods...

Wow it would be so awesome if it happened! you sure are a creative one! However I fail to see the tragedy in it

somehow that sounds a bit contrived and incomplete. So everyone except Yuki and Zero knows that Kaname erased their memories? What if someone tells them and Yuki remembers again? and whats the purpose keeping it out from two people's knowledge that Kaname saved the world, its just hiding the truth from them for the sake of what, somehow this is conspiring as Yuki will forcefully forget Kaname and be compelled to live happily with Zero because Kaname's gone, it doesnt give closure to Yuki's feelings for Kaname as the decision was robbed from her, which means there's always an open statement to that--"she still loves Kaname, perhaps more than Zero, but she was forced to be with Zero"

Also, Yuki was already turned into a human before and she supposedly broke the spell. Or the spell malfunctioned on her thats why Kaname had to turn her back before she became insane. So there's no guarantee the same spell that will turn her into human will work out smoothly for the second time. its also a theory that she can break spells on her, as it was not only the spell to turn her into a human that failed, but also the spell to erase her memories failed (when kaname tried to erase her memories on what happened to shizuka and zero's fight she still had vague recollection to what happened afterwards)

Also if Kaname sacrifices himself to turn Yuki into human, how does Zero turn to human as the title says? the story doesnt say anything about this. and if Zero turns into human and forgets his past, somehow it doesn't make sense or justify all the tragedy and angst he experienced just to forget all that.

So Kaname kills all purebloods, and then himself, what happens to the other vampires who are left? eventually the hunters would go out of work with the number of level e's decreasing (without purebloods biting humans theres no more risk) so what happens to them, or their knowledge

Its revealed Kaname only kills head of pureblood families but it seems you also believe he will kill all, Idk which is more true but I stick to just the heads since thats whats been reported

Youweremysafeplace* wrote:Ok well i was thinking.. if Juuri could change yuki back into a human with a spell, kaname could do that too? And then get some other pureblood to turn zero into a human again? See here was a tragic possible ending i was thinking of. :

Kaname wants to rid the world of purebloods. And had originally planned to sacrificed himself, before the hooded lady. So to rid the world of publoods he decides to turn yuki back into a human because that would cost him his life in the end. Before he changes her, he would hug her and tell her that he loves her, but before yuki could protest he erases her memories that contain him in it, that way she could never remember him again even if she tried. And she falls in his arms. He walks towards zero and tells him, that he will erase every memory of himself from zero. But he would not erase what he was going to tell him next. " Make sure to make yuki's life happy, when i can not. " He erases zeros memory including the memory of shizuka killing his family. As something nice to do.
Zero falls to the floor. Kaname tells all the hunters to never mention his name to yuki or to anyone in sake for peace. All hunters agree. Kaname and lets say sara hold yuki and zero up and cast the spell. Both purebloods die. Zero and yuki are taken to another room. Hunters thank them for what they did, and berry them near the hunters grave yard, as a sign of peace and thanks. Hours pass and yuki and zero both wake up. Not knowing a thing that happened... They walk out the room, and see hunters every where, yuki and zero asked what happened... Kien says that they just got knocked out from a vampires power..and they believe in it. Zero and yuki walk out to an open field, and see two graves. They said "here lies a two great hero's who helped made peace between vampires and humans."
"We did it zero...there's peace now." yuki said with a smile. "ya we did.." zero said with a smirk remembering random words about keeping yuki happy from someone.. Yuki and zero bow and prayed for the people they didn't even know...
The story of a man unnamed spread threw every hunter, and how great he was. As well did every vampire know the story as well, but could not mention a word to yuki and zero..... in honor of there great King and Qeen of pure bloods...

I see some flaws in your theory . And I telling this as a fan who theorizes a long time ago the only possible way a Zeki ending could happen is if both return to humans . I see this as a very low probability to happen . As I see more probable a Zero only alive ending than a Zeki one . And a Yume ending as the most probable one .

One thing is , you had not noticed the spell for returning a vampire to human and the spell to make forget memories are different and not related . The one requiring a sacrifice from a pureblood vampire is the one to make a vampire human . this one could be break if another pureblood vampire bites the ex - vampire , now - human person . The memories loss spell could be perform by not only pureblood vampires . But by high level vampires as Nobles and vampire hunters . One way to break it is by drinking the blood of a pureblood vampire that is blood related to the one who forgets . In the special case of Yuuki . She appears having a special power to break spells . So if Yuuki returns to human and is made to forget everything from her past . There is a good possibility of her body try to break the spell again . As no more Kurans available to give her their blood . She will began to get crazy again . As her now human body could not handle the breaking spell she is trying to use in herself .

Another thing . For now , apparently is needed one pureblood being sacrified for every vampire is turned human . If both Zero and Yuuki returned to humans . There are needed two pureblood or equivalent in power to sacrifice themselves to do so . Don't expect Sara to be one of those sacrifices . If Sara dies . It will be relative soon . ( ten chapters tops ) For the ending of V. K. ; at least around 25 - 30 chapters remains . Sara is not the final boss in V. K. . Nor required for an ending at all . She is the White Queen of the Chess game . Not the White Chessmaster nor the White King of the second arc . The main possible ones here are Kaname ( for Yuuki ) and Kaien Cross ( for Zero ) .

I know you think I'm sort of crazy to mention Cross as possible candidate to sacrifice himself for Zero . As he is not a pureblood vampire . But he actually has more pureblood genes than any other person except a pureblood one . So he could have enough magic in his body to try to perform this spell . Also he would sacrifice for both Zero and Yuuki if this means saving any or both of them .

Other point . If both Zero and Yuuki forget about their pasts . This would not help at all for the coexistance theme of vampires and humans in V. K. The main point is the survivors need to remember whatever actions the dead one do . To prevent commiting the same mistakes . If Kaname dies , both Yuuki and Zero needs to remember he died for a good cause . Or all the actions of Kaname would happen for nothing .

So in the case of Zero and Yuuki returning to humans is a must they keep their memories intact .

Unfortunatelly, it could never happen. It was possible when no one from vampire society knows about Yuuki'a existance, but now they all are aware of it. They would never let her peacefully enjoy human life. Even if all pureblood were dead, there still remain nobles who need pureblood to awe another vampires into obedience. So that resolve is not possible. At least, Kaname is not going to stay alone

Youweremysafeplace* wrote:Before he changes her, he would hug her and tell her that he loves her, but before yuki could protest he erases her memories that contain him in it, that way she could never remember him again even if she tried And she falls in his arms. He walks towards zero and tells him, that he will erase every memory of himself from zero. But he would not erase what he was going to tell him next. " Make sure to make yuki's life happy, when i can not. " He erases zeros memory including the memory of shizuka killing his family. As something nice to do.

As a Yume I have to say that I loved your theory lol! It’s a straight forward confession that in order for the Zeki ending to happen >>>

1. Kaname should die cuz obviously he is a major obstacle for Zeki!
2. Yuuki’s memories aka and her feelings for Kaname should be also erased or else she could never choose Zero as her lover! So you acknowledge that Yuuki loves Kaname and not Zero!
3. Yuuki should be a human again in order for Zero to fully accept her!
4. Zero to turn into a human again so the “great forbidden love” goes out of the window since both of them would be humans!
5. Also Yuuki should be forced to change heart or else the Zeki ship is doomed!

Haha really you’ve made my day! Your theory is the gist of why we, Yume, can’t see Zeki as the end game!

Sweetsolace, Mariangie and Akaruisama have already found the flaws in this theory so I have nothing else to add.
I want only to emphasize on one observation … that turning Yuuki into a human again for various reasons is most likely impossible due to her ability to break the spells. So in the end Yuuki should remain as a PB.

PS. I have one question though … Kaname is the greatest villain (a serial killer) or a great hero???
I guess if he would open the door for Zeki that would make him a great hero even if he would have killed all the PBs in the process huh; cuz that would be for a GREAT cause >>> for a ZEKI ENDING!!! What a noble goal I shall say! LOL.

@ Maria you’re killing me with your signature!!!! Let’s make a petition …

nina wrote: It’s a straight forward confession that in order for the Zeki ending to happen >>>

1. Kaname should die cuz obviously he is a major obstacle for Zeki!
2. Yuuki’s memories aka and her feelings for Kaname should be also erased or else she could never choose Zero as her lover! So you acknowledge that Yuuki loves Kaname and not Zero!
3. Yuuki should be a human again in order for Zero to fully accept her!
4. Zero to turn into a human again so the “great forbidden love” goes out of the window since both of them would be humans!
5. Also Yuuki should be forced to change heart or else the Zeki ship is doomed!

Haha really you’ve made my day! Your theory is the gist of why we, Yume, can’t see Zeki as the end game!

lol. too true. it sounds like Yuki must be forced to love Zero, or the circumstances must force it on her so she'll have no choice but to love him otherwise she probably won't.
even if it means villain Kaname will turn to hero Kaname but it have to end with Kaname's death otherwise there's no chance Yuki will ever stop loving him. till death do them part...
and for Zero to fully love Yuki she must be human and he in turn should forget his hatred conveniently erased from his memories, all so he could love her as herself. it seems a lot of big procedures are necessary to ensure a happy, blissful ZEKI ending. otherwise...

PS. I have one question though … Kaname is the greatest villain (a serial killer) or a great hero???
I guess if he would open the door for Zeki that would make him a great hero even if he would have killed all the PBs in the process huh; cuz that would be for a GREAT cause >>> for a ZEKI ENDING!!! What a noble goal I shall say! LOL.

Kaname as hero or villain probably doesn't matter as long as Yuki stops loving him, so any reason would suffice. even reviving hooded woman or having Seiren as his past lover. Or in this case the only permanence can be found in Kaname's death. he has to die for Yuki to stop loving him and go with Zero.

Yuki is so persistent... She never has a change of heart.

Going human both of them? but what about the lesson of accepting your true nature and also create a bridge that would unite vampires and people?

if Yuuki turned human and Kaname died on the effort, where would all the fight for co-existence that is tried to be achieved since chapter one would go? down the drain?

I would not cheer such an option (not only because due to the Zeki perspective), as a reader that would like to see all of these efforts of the long past until the recent today, I would like some retribution of justice there, and not just an ending that focus on two main characters but ignores all the set around, and that set is actually the core of the story.

Yuuki and zero humans again? I doubt this will happen. If this will happen, all this action till now is meangless. why did yuuki create NC? to be turned into a human later? who will handle her NC if she won't have memories of her past.

In vk is about acceptance. zero turned into a human will nullified that.

And I have doubts yuuki will remain a human forever. she has an ability to break spells, so probably, sooner or later she will break the spell. and it will be worse since doesn't exist a kuran who should help her to awake without pain.

I don't think zero can be turned into a human again. at the beginning of the manga, kaname say to cross zero can never be a human again.
To turn a vampire into a human I think it's work only for vampires born as vampires, not humans.

And who will turn zero into a human if that's possible? Personaly I think cross don't have the power to do so.
If cross has the power then he will do it. but if he doesn't? who will sacrifice?

Unfortunatelly, it could never happen. It was possible when no one from vampire society knows about Yuuki'a existance, but now they all are aware of it. They would never let her peacefully enjoy human life. Even if all pureblood were dead, there still remain nobles who need pureblood to awe another vampires into obedience.

Agree. yuuki was presented to vampire society as kuran pureblood princess. if yuuki will be turned into a human, her life will be in danger, she's more vulnerable in that human condition.

nina wrote:
It’s a straight forward confession that in order for the Zeki ending to happen >>>

1. Kaname should die cuz obviously he is a major obstacle for Zeki!
2. Yuuki’s memories aka and her feelings for Kaname should be also erased or else she could never choose Zero as her lover! So you acknowledge that Yuuki loves Kaname and not Zero!
3. Yuuki should be a human again in order for Zero to fully accept her!
4. Zero to turn into a human again so the “great forbidden love” goes out of the window since both of them would be humans!
5. Also Yuuki should be forced to change heart or else the Zeki ship is doomed!

that was a good one. you nail it

aya-chan wrote:
And who will turn zero into a human if that's possible? Personaly I think cross don't have the power to do so.

uh. a random pureblood? if kaname plans to make Zero and Yuki a couple while he rests in peace never to disturb them, then he must NOT kill ALL purebloods and leave at least him and another pureblood to be used as sacrifice in making Zero as human. And this is exclusively for Zero, so he can be with Yuki peacefully. Plus additional back up to erase his memories in case he resisted... you never know he might not want his memory erased.

Unfortunatelly, it could never happen. It was possible when no one from vampire society knows about Yuuki'a existance, but now they all are aware of it. They would never let her peacefully enjoy human life. Even if all pureblood were dead, there still remain nobles who need pureblood to awe another vampires into obedience.

But she could cut her hair or redo her appearance! no one would know its her. with pureblood powers anything is possible

...ok im joking

sweetsolace wrote:

But she could cut her hair or redo her appearance! no one would know its her. with pureblood powers anything is possible

...ok im joking

you cracked me there...

I don't think zero can be turned into a human again. at the beginning of the manga, kaname say to cross zero can never be a human again.
To turn a vampire into a human I think it's work only for vampires born as vampires, not humans.

that's an aspect that I had not consider, I guess you are right, Zero is an ex-human that changed into a level e, after being bitten by a pureblood, not a pureblood vampire stripped away from the vampirism aspect...it sounds a different case indeed.

ahh im sorry it was just a thought i was just like hey maybe this could happen! i didn't think so much people would not like it soo much i mean everyone respected kaname in the end. and i didnt say if yuki ends up with zero or anything... for all i care he could end up with maria

Youweremysafeplace* wrote:ahh im sorry it was just a thought i was just like hey maybe this could happen! i didn't think so much people would not like it soo much i mean everyone respected kaname in the end. and i didnt say if yuki ends up with zero or anything... for all i care he could end up with maria

It's not like we don't like such ending. It's very interesting to imagine every possible ending, it's always a chance to create something new. We all have a fun talking what should or shouldn't be further and what we want to see next.

that would be an unexpecting twist, just like it was all a dream...
I guess I should say to Matsuri Hino-san: "Surprise me!"
yeah, that kind of ending would be pretty cool..

Shizuka Hikari wrote:that would be an unexpecting twist, just like it was all a dream...
I guess I should say to Matsuri Hino-san: "Surprise me!"
yeah, that kind of ending would be pretty cool..

yeah,and remember that tagline,i will show you a sweet dream next time.but i hope it won't get cheap like that.