Vampire Knight chapter 78 Full Raws + first translation

senbyafanatic (senbyafanatic) wrote in vampire_knight,
2011-12-24 01:58:00


Night 78 English translation

Chinese scanlation as always: http://tieba.baidu.com/p/1336108943

Need to hurry to work and didn't separate dialogues according to panels

This is NOT a direct Japanese-English translation!





Night78 Corruption


Page 1

What seeps out from these tablets is…that woman’s gradually expanding intention.


Page 2

Yuuki: Wait….


Page 3

Yuuki: Wait a moment!

Maria: Er…is there anything I can do?

Rima: Help me hold him there.

Maria: Alright.

Rampaging vampire: Give my tablets back to me!!


Page 4

Yuuki: It…hurts…

Aidou: Let go of her!


Page 5

Aidou: Do you even know whose blood you are taking?!

Vampire: Eh….? I...? How can I…?!

Yuuki: Just as I suspected, Aidou-senpai! Give everyone my blood!


Page 6

Vampire: Let go of me! Give my tablets back to me…!

Maria: Should I continue to hold him like this?

Rima: Yeah…’cos the dorm president said to bring rampaging vampires under control.

Vampire teacher in the background: Students, where are my tablets?

Rima: Wait, Shiki. You are also under the influence of the tablets, aren’t you?

Shiki: …I don’t think so….


Page 7

(only the sound of Shiki popping open new tablets and Yuuki panting)


Page 8

Yuuki: How about your side, Aidou-senpai?

Aidou: Well, most of them drank it without a fight. After all what is provided is the most delicious kind of blood that no vampire can resist.

Vampire A: Ahah…what have I done…

Vampire B: I…

Yuuki: Thank god…OK! Since this tablet is being distributed everywhere, I need to spread my blood the same way as well!

Aidou: Wait a second!


Page 9

Aidou: If you do this without knowing how far the tablet has reached, you’ll soon bleed dry.

Yuuki: …Em…indeed… (thinking) If I run out of blood, I won’t be able to replenish immediately…

Aidou: Considering whoever behind this is using the tablets against us, we can do the same to them, right?


Page 10

Aidou: (cont’d from the previous page) Ichijou, who’s been looking at us in the corner?

Yuuki: That’s it…! The company that Ichijou-senpai owns must have a pharmaceutical department.

Aidou: It is this said pharmaceutical department that manufactured this batch of tablets, isn’t it, Ichijou?

Yuuki: …


Page 11

(Yuuki thinking) Ichijou-senpai…

Aidou: Now what, are we going to have him stop the production?

Yuuki: What are you talking about, of course we are.

Rima: Um… have you seen Shiki? I was going to make him drink the dorm president’s blood.

Vampire: No…

Rima: He took an entire panel of tablets before we knew it…Surely I must go look for him.


Page 12

Yagari: Zero? Did the association president ask you to come here? Good work. Where’s that little girl?

Zero: …She didn’t come.

Yagari: I see. Poor association president, even his adopted daughter is now ignoring him. Speaking of whom…she seemed to be quite active during the day. Although the whole thing was about problematic tablets, it’s no big deal.


Page 13

Yagari: Just have a few words with the association president and return to the academy as soon as you can, to continue keeping an eye on Yuuki Kuran. And do NOT stand in the way of Kaname Kuran.


Page 14

Kaien: Hello, Kiryuu-kun. I think if it’s you, you’ll tell me the truth. I feel that I’ve hardly received any report recently, not even reports regarding trivial matter. I only wish I was just imagining things…although Kaito-kun did come to report to me about Yuuki. Yesterday she stopped a riot in the night class, didn’t she? How reckless…but I’m happy for what she is.

Zero: …I just wish we had more purebloods like this who serve our interest.


Page 15

Kaien: Er…why would say something like that?

Zero: Because there’s a presence… here in the association headquarters, there’s a pureblood.

Kaien: That’s the young leader of the Touma clan. He was almost killed by Kaname-kun. Human or vampire, I cannot tolerate unreasonable killing.


Page 16

Zero: …You still stick to your pacifist cause, like before. So, what is it that you want to ask me?

Kaien: Who is responsible for spreading the tablets of darkness?


Page 17

Kaien: Recently someone seems to be distributing suspicious tablets of darkness. Yesterday’s riot was also caused by this, right? Do you know anything after your contact with the night class?

Zero: …No.

Kaien: …Is that so… But I think we’ll catch the perpetrator soon enough.


Page 18

Zero: …Association president…do you know about Kaname Kuran’s “plan”?

Kaien: …What a strange question to ask. Although I wish I could say yes… Kaname-kun once planned to leave Yuuki behind…but having seen the impossibility of that he decided to return to her. For that he destroyed the corrupted senate, and at some point made you his pawn, which was indeed very cruel.


Page 19

Kaien: …But I don’t get what’s happening this time. Is he thinking of leaving Yuuki behind again to kill all the purebloods? …What is it?

Zero: Nothing…that’ll be all, President Cross.


Page 20

Maria: Wait, Yuuki. I know this is a bad time for this kind of talk…but there’s nothing I can do about Zero-kun’s thirst. You know that, right?

Yuuki: …I know. Yes…Zero is in a state of starvation.


Page 21

Yuuki: But I can’t go to him.

Maria: Why not?

Yuuki: Out of respect for Zero. Maria, Can I take up a little bit of your time? Follow me (smaller characters in the same panel: let’s go to the boys’ dorm)

Maria: Eh?

Yuuki: I can’t let Ichijou remain at Sara’s side any longer.


Page 22

Hanadagi’s servant: (moans and groans of pain)

Yuuki: Are you alright?


Page 23

Hanadagi’s servant: Are you…the pureblood from the Kuran clan?

Yuuki: How cruel…who did this to you?

Hanadagi’s servant: Sara…Shirabuki.


Page 24

Hanadagi’s servant: Please help me avenge my master! Please kill that despicable good girl who suddenly interrupted my master, leader of the Hanadagi clan’s slumber, and devoured his heart!

Yuuki: …Hold on…


Page 25

Yuuki: Sara was the one who attacked Hanadagi-sama?

Hanadagi’s servant: Yes, I saw it with my own eyes…although I wasn’t able to stay with my master till the last moment… But my master wouldn’t have been killed, if that good girl hadn’t attacked him!

Yuuki (thinking): Kaname didn’t attack Hanadagi-sama’s coffin…


Page 26

Zero: Do you…plan to kill Sara Shirabuki?

Yuuki: Zero…?

Hanadagi’s servant: You…are the one who came to Sara yesterday…

Zero: Yuuki…


Page 27

Zero: I won’t…let you lay your hands on that woman.

Yuuki (thinking): Yuuki…how long has it been since I last heard you say my name like this…but…

Sara: Everything is happening just as planned…Although my servants in the night class are restored by Yuuki, she has to deal with a lot of mess because of this…


Page 28

Sara: As long as I can get my hands on the “weapon” in this academy, it’ll do. This is also what you think, right? Besides, “that child” must have fallen as well, just like you have, wouldn’t you say so, Takuma?

Takuma: You are a devil…and a pathetic woman as well…


Page 29

Sara: What I want…is pathetic but excellent servants who cannot escape my clutch even if they fight…lovely little birds who keep singing around me (cont’d in the next page),


Page 30

Sara (cont’d from the previous page): vampires all over the world who serve me, puppets who don’t bore me, and…a convenient weapon that can kill purebloods. I can say that child is the fruition of Kaname’s “great sin”.


Page 31

Sara: Go and capture my puppet who’s escaped.

Takuma: …I know there is no use fight you.


Page 32

Takuma: Shiki…Shi…

Shiki: I drank the tablets, Ichijou. I believe this is the easiest way to come to you.


Page 33

Yuuki: You won’t let me lay my hands on her…I can’t believe I heard this from you.

Hanadagi’s servant: If…you stand in my way…then you are my master’s enemy, just like Sara!


Page 34

Zero: You, take this person to Kaito’s.

Maria: Ye…yes… This person has received cruel treatment. (to Yuuki) I can do this alone, you must talk to Ichijou.

Yuuki: I’ll leave her to you, Maria.


Page 35

Yuuki: She said it was Sara who attacked Hanadagi-san’s coffin…The sudden assault, it wasn’t Kaname, it’s not what people think… I’m sorry for the mess in the academy. After I finish dealing with this, I’ll definitely go to stop Kaname.


Page 37

Yuuki: Zero…?

Zero: …That man…Kaname Kuran…every single one of his cells, the entirety of his existence, is nothing but filth!


Page 38

Zero: He destroyed everything that belonged to me, my family, Ichiru, and myself…


Page 39

Yuuki: Zero…what are you…


Page 40

What is Kaname’s “great sin”? Next issue, VK on the cover!

aya-chan wrote:

libra wrote:

A hunch that the weapon is Yuki. Sara mast have said to Zero that Kaname altered the VH's list so he is behind their parent's death. That's why it's asked from Zero not to stand in Kaname's way. Because he is planning to do so!!!

The weapon sara want is zero not yuuki.
We still don't know what sara told to zero. if she mentioned something about kaname being guilty about his trauma probably zero jumped at the conclusion kaname is responsable for his family death.
but who knows what sara told him. a thing is clear: sara twisted the truth after her own convenience.

Kaname's sin must be Zero's parents death... that's way Hino started 77 the way she did, with Kaname being triggered by the twins.
Yuki will not believe Zero in that. She will question him after what she heard from the servant so I'll guess she'll take Kaname's side in this!!!

I do not think this is reffering at zero parents death. i think the "serious crime" of kaname is the twin curse. I think in the upcoming chapters the curse would be explained.

From Mangafox

Thread: Hunter twin curse

11-20-2009 11:38 PM #8 Maria Rodriguez


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Originally Posted by PSDOL
i think there is more in this curse than we can think of. i have a big feeling that when we know about kaname past will know where the curse comes from.

for now all we know its like a punishment for human's drinking pureblood blood but again we have many ppl that drank pureblood blood but mostly we have is that they got vampire powers so mybe the pureblood they drink was not a normal pureblood , but if we know thw strongest pureblood is the kuran , i mean zero drank kuran blood but nothing showed he got cursed again or ichiru drank shizuka's blood (i pureblood that comes from the kuran family tree ) so realy did this curse comes from the blood or it was done by someone? so far both hino's ,manga's both curses where curused by someone so could be vk even this cursed for done by someone as a punishment too the human's that ate a pureblood. that my theroy thought but thats my feeling too while thinking about the twin curse.

this is my theroy but what if the anstor punished the human's that ate his lover ? by giving them the same feeling with there twin children? i mean a anstor too have created creature as vampires must be powerful taht he could put a curse too the human's

Your last theory is probably correct. The Kuran ancestor cursed vampire hunters for eating his wife/lover. For the ancestor his queen was his other half (who knows if actually his twin sister) and he wanted vampire hunters to remember his suffering with hunter's twins destiny to destroy each other .

From MF

11-22-2009 08:10 PM #11 Maria Rodriguez
Level One Otaku

If the story tells us about a hunter's twin curse, someone had to give it to the hunters. Curses don't happen without a caster. I'm suspecting the most probable person to cast it has to be the Kuran's ancestor unless the story tells us differently.

11-24-2009 12:52AM
Maria Rodriguez


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Because even the most peaceful and good person when passing a great crisis in his/her life could lost control and act crazy and /or desperate. in real life more than a good guy wanted revenge when somebody killed his loved one. Many people wanted to curse God or the killer or even humanity. If Kuran ancestor lost his wife due to hunters, he could curse all hunters' descendants to suffer for eternity. As a pureblood vampire he would have enough power for a curse to happen.

mariangie wrote:

aya-chan wrote:

libra wrote:

A hunch that the weapon is Yuki. Sara mast have said to Zero that Kaname altered the VH's list so he is behind their parent's death. That's why it's asked from Zero not to stand in Kaname's way. Because he is planning to do so!!!

The weapon sara want is zero not yuuki.
We still don't know what sara told to zero. if she mentioned something about kaname being guilty about his trauma probably zero jumped at the conclusion kaname is responsable for his family death.
but who knows what sara told him. a thing is clear: sara twisted the truth after her own convenience.

Kaname's sin must be Zero's parents death... that's way Hino started 77 the way she did, with Kaname being triggered by the twins.
Yuki will not believe Zero in that. She will question him after what she heard from the servant so I'll guess she'll take Kaname's side in this!!!

I do not think this is reffering at zero parents death. i think the "serious crime" of kaname is the twin curse. I think in the upcoming chapters the curse would be explained.

Yes , Aya . I didn't commented so much about what Sara said to Zero that could make Zero turn to her side . As the hunter she needed to get Kaname out of her side . Sara can't use anti - vampire weapons . Because I had made kind of a promise to not stir the waters for a while . But now I think I have more base for what I could say . Kaname's being responsable of the twins curse in the past is now a very good possibility .



Now about Kaname's greatest sin :

Indeed Kaname was involved in how Zero ended as Yuuki's shield and knight . But I don't think he was the one responsable to kill directly Zero's parents . I think it was more of Kaname's trying to make Zero more close to Yuuki and giving him Bloody Rose for his use . So Kaname used any opportunity he could get to make Zero loyal to Yuuki . And defend her no matter what .

For now , I think Sara said to Zero a half lie / half truth . Or at least not the complete picture . Enough to Zero consider Kaname as the one who ruin his entire life . But she did know the entire truth .

What I think is his sin is a little different than other opinions I had read for now . . In reality I believed is more linked to a very old idea of mine .( In reality the one who started it was Psdol ; so thanks to her .) Not exactly all those ideas were correct . But the main idea of Kaname's cursing the hunters could be . As I found some old posts with that theory in MF . Only as examples :


Link here : .http://forums.mangafox.com/threads/120384-Hunter-twin-curse?p=3038450#post3038450

From Mangafox

Thread: Hunter twin curse

11-20-2009 11:38 PM #8 Maria Rodriguez


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Originally Posted by PSDOL
i think there is more in this curse than we can think of. i have a big feeling that when we know about kaname past will know where the curse comes from.

for now all we know its like a punishment for human's drinking pureblood blood but again we have many ppl that drank pureblood blood but mostly we have is that they got vampire powers so mybe the pureblood they drink was not a normal pureblood , but if we know thw strongest pureblood is the kuran , i mean zero drank kuran blood but nothing showed he got cursed again or ichiru drank shizuka's blood (i pureblood that comes from the kuran family tree ) so realy did this curse comes from the blood or it was done by someone? so far both hino's ,manga's both curses where curused by someone so could be vk even this cursed for done by someone as a punishment too the human's that ate a pureblood. that my theroy thought but thats my feeling too while thinking about the twin curse.

this is my theroy but what if the anstor punished the human's that ate his lover ? by giving them the same feeling with there twin children? i mean a anstor too have created creature as vampires must be powerful taht he could put a curse too the human's

Your last theory is probably correct. The Kuran ancestor cursed vampire hunters for eating his wife/lover. For the ancestor his queen was his other half (who knows if actually his twin sister) and he wanted vampire hunters to remember his suffering with hunter's twins destiny to destroy each other .

Other early post . Same twins curse thread . Only a partial quote here .

Link : http://forums.mangafox.com/threads/120384-Hunter-twin-curse/page2

From MF

11-22-2009 08:10 PM #11 Maria Rodriguez
Level One Otaku

If the story tells us about a hunter's twin curse, someone had to give it to the hunters. Curses don't happen without a caster. I'm suspecting the most probable person to cast it has to be the Kuran's ancestor unless the story tells us differently.

Other post ; same link at MF .

11-24-2009 12:52AM
Maria Rodriguez


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Because even the most peaceful and good person when passing a great crisis in his/her life could lost control and act crazy and /or desperate. in real life more than a good guy wanted revenge when somebody killed his loved one. Many people wanted to curse God or the killer or even humanity. If Kuran ancestor lost his wife due to hunters, he could curse all hunters' descendants to suffer for eternity. As a pureblood vampire he would have enough power for a curse to happen.

There's a good probability Kaname was the one who did the curse to the vampire hunters' twins . It could be because at the time Kaname became with despair in his past . Before entering his slumber . Kaname could believed the vampire hunters were somehow involved in the events shown at his memory of a destroyed Kuran Manor with Kaname crying over a broken mirror . Maybe Kaname decided as a vengance to curse the ones who he believed responsables with a curse of all their twin offspring to be killed .

The reason for why Kaname did this is kind of a crack idea of mine . But I could not discard it yet . I think Kaname's wife and Vampire Queen at that time . Not the HW ; but another girl . Maybe Yuuki's past life . She was pregnant with twins . She was killed during that incident of Kaname's past . Due to some betrayal of a pureblood who maybe used the aid of vampire hunters . Maybe they were to kill Kaname . Killed his wife ( and unborn twin children with her ). Then Kaname cursed the hunters as responsables for his misery with the twins' curse .

If what I think is true . Zero could be very mad to know the one who curse the hunters with the twins' maldition was Kaname . Because Zero's entire life was changed because he almost killed his twin intra - uterus . Making Zero a more powerful vampire hunter than the average one . And Ichiru an unhappy , unhealthy kid . Who ended hating his own family for what happenned to him . After that , Zero could never have a normal life . So Zero could indeed say Kaname ruin his family's life .

Juliet wrote: Very glad that it seems that Aidou and Yuuki get a plan to 1. stop the production of the tablets 2. restore the tablets in the pharmaceutical company 3. finally to release Takuma from Sara's net> even though here there might be a conflict as it seems that Takuma due to his connection with the pharmaceutical company is a key here for Sara's plans...

It seems that the hunters are not taking into great account the tablets and the problems that they are creating -haha makes me wonder how close to the people they are but I guess that justifies and a bit their ignorance or no interfere in Sara's plan and in the academy's latest events> mainly the have no clue about how tragic this can end.

Juliet wrote:

As long as I can get my hands on the “weapon” in this academy, it’ll do. This is also what you think, right? Besides, “that child” must have fallen as well, just like you have, wouldn’t you say so, Takuma? I can say that child is the fruition of Kaname’s “great sin”.

I think that here its obvious that this "child that shall fall" will be Zero as he is her main weapon to kill purebloods..moreover I can not make out what she means by "I can say..." does that mean that in overall she lies about Kaname? I think that's the overall meaning of the sentence especially if you combine it with the "must have fallen" as well sentence.

I see that Hino still does not reveal the supposed secret that Sara told to Zero about Kaname's past, increasing the suspense but as the two shall meet I guess the confrontation will bring that revelation/ not necessarily the truth though.

Evil in love wrote: I love ch79 preview, so adoreable. Hino is talented but lacks of siting for drawing. I can noticed this preview is almost same position as vol 14, just different for yuuki and kaname and yuuki always hug in the same where while kaname close his eyes. Btw, I think she is hinting some whos side yuuki will take on. <333

juliet wrote:Τhe easiness though with which Zero believes Sara is astonishing, his hate should be his reservation in his relations with her> okay let's say that he believes her, why to want to protect her? 

 where does that fit in? I am loosing it here. And Sara's certainty that he shall fall as Takuma what is that supposed to be?

Evil in love wrote:

juliet wrote:Τhe easiness though with which Zero believes Sara is astonishing, his hate should be his reservation in his relations with her> okay let's say that he believes her, why to want to protect her? 

 where does that fit in? I am loosing it here. And Sara's certainty that he shall fall as Takuma what is that supposed to be?

I'm sure zero has plan  to use  sara, a pureblood to destroy another pureblood, kaname. He can't side for a long time,then he can kill her but it is not now. Why he didn't tell kaien that Sara owned the blood, because he didn't kaien to interfere this in this (I really don't want to mention with the useless HA. They can only think to use others). But I love it either he sides Sara because he has plan or he purely trusts her, it just shows that zero isn't that innocent if he has plan and if he truly believes Sara so he is easier to manipulate. I think it is very interesting for both guys. It certainly means that he will protect Sara. We can think that he has sometime evil-minded too.  How come he hate purebloods too much but he trust Sara (the most evil pureblood who brings a mess to NC) completely and told yuuki that he won't let her lay her hands on Sara, or only with kaname that he has. Maybe his family is his weakness to attrack. I think Maria will break zero evil-minded, I love how she reacted to zero when she asked yuuki. As many of us said I feel like his life will be like kaien when he know the truth he will forgive pureblood and walk alone  with Maria step behind <<<33.

Wow.... Sara has many great knights, takuma, shiki and zero. I don't like if takuma has feeling for Sara, she is too much evil for him. I hope he can change her but now shiki join in and rima will be busy with him.. So poor shiki, he always is used  to go against kaname as in first arc.

@ Nina : wow very well observe.. I totally agree I don't think it is "might" but it definitely is "will".. Hino previews are great hint, side notes very important and always become true. I love to think of it but it is a bit delay. We have kaname preview too he sniff yuuki's nightgown and later he comes to academy from scenting yuuki's blood, for any reason it just is for yuuki.

juliet wrote:Τhe easiness though with which Zero believes Sara is astonishing, his hate should be his reservation in his relations with her> okay let's say that he believes her, why to want to protect her?

where does that fit in? I am loosing it here. And Sara's certainty that he shall fall as Takuma what is that supposed to be?

aya-chan wrote:

juliet wrote:Τhe easiness though with which Zero believes Sara is astonishing, his hate should be his reservation in his relations with her> okay let's say that he believes her, why to want to protect her?

where does that fit in? I am loosing it here. And Sara's certainty that he shall fall as Takuma what is that supposed to be?

Exactly!
Moreover, zero knows that sara turned human girls into vampires, and at that time he had wanted to pull the trigger, and now he knows about the troublesome tablets sara created. those tablets brought insanity among night class, and if that would had have continued day class students would have been hurt.
But knowing all these about sara he decided to believe her without being sure if it's true or not, and worse to stop yuuki in handling sara. Doing this zero threw away all his principles he had as a hunter.

Honestly, Zero did not evolve at all. he remained the same kid possessed by hatred feelings, and who cannot see beyond that.

caela wrote:

aya-chan wrote:

juliet wrote:Τhe easiness though with which Zero believes Sara is astonishing, his hate should be his reservation in his relations with her> okay let's say that he believes her, why to want to protect her?

where does that fit in? I am loosing it here. And Sara's certainty that he shall fall as Takuma what is that supposed to be?

Exactly!
Moreover, zero knows that sara turned human girls into vampires, and at that time he had wanted to pull the trigger, and now he knows about the troublesome tablets sara created. those tablets brought insanity among night class, and if that would had have continued day class students would have been hurt.
But knowing all these about sara he decided to believe her without being sure if it's true or not, and worse to stop yuuki in handling sara. Doing this zero threw away all his principles he had as a hunter.

Honestly, Zero did not evolve at all. he remained the same kid possessed by hatred feelings, and who cannot see beyond that.

*cough* Zero decided to play chess....Finally....he didn't kill anyone yet that wasn't on the execution list (except maybe Rido?...though I can't imagine anyone not wanting Rido dead...lol). Ummm...throwing out his morals and shame on him?...How do you judge Kaname then? Zero considers Kaname "filth" and technically Kaname has killed more people than Sara: given a choice between Sara and Kaname...

caela wrote: Zero considers Kaname "filth" and technically Kaname has killed more people than Sara: given a choice between Sara and Kaname...

aya-chan wrote:

caela wrote: Zero considers Kaname "filth" and technically Kaname has killed more people than Sara: given a choice between Sara and Kaname...

Zero considered kaname as being the worst with long before kaname departure - I think it was in chapter 50. What criteria zero used then?
Kaname killing the vampire council? what right has he - zero - to judge? kaname killed them because they were responsible for his parents death, so we can conclude he did that from revenge.
Did not zero want revenge for his parents death? In this matter zero and kaname were the same.
Moreover, zero did not seem to be bothered in being yuuki's shield.

Kaname and sara - I think they can be judge in function of their goal, not the number of their victims.
Zero decided to take side of a vampire who:
1. turned human girls into vampires - by the way, zero should be bothered about their lost humanity since he lost his
2. killed ouri to gain the power to break hanadagi's casttle
3. attacked hanadagi's casttle and devoured his heart
4. created blood tablets which bring the ones who consum them to insanity and caused chaos into academy
And sara did all these because she want to be queen. in one word she wants power. everything is for her being.

While kaname, the one zero despise did not harm humans, on contraire he protect them. with his plan kaname want to bring peace to human world and yuuki. he does not do this for himself.

The right decission for zero would have been to not take any sides. if he could have confront kaname and handle sara as well. but, apparently he decided to take sara's side and not to follow his duty as hunter.

lililovelilica wrote:

aya-chan wrote:

caela wrote: Zero considers Kaname "filth" and technically Kaname has killed more people than Sara: given a choice between Sara and Kaname...

Zero considered kaname as being the worst with long before kaname departure - I think it was in chapter 50. What criteria zero used then?
Kaname killing the vampire council? what right has he - zero - to judge? kaname killed them because they were responsible for his parents death, so we can conclude he did that from revenge.
Did not zero want revenge for his parents death? In this matter zero and kaname were the same.
Moreover, zero did not seem to be bothered in being yuuki's shield.

Kaname and sara - I think they can be judge in function of their goal, not the number of their victims.
Zero decided to take side of a vampire who:
1. turned human girls into vampires - by the way, zero should be bothered about their lost humanity since he lost his
2. killed ouri to gain the power to break hanadagi's casttle
3. attacked hanadagi's casttle and devoured his heart
4. created blood tablets which bring the ones who consum them to insanity and caused chaos into academy
And sara did all these because she want to be queen. in one word she wants power. everything is for her being.

While kaname, the one zero despise did not harm humans, on contraire he protect them. with his plan kaname want to bring peace to human world and yuuki. he does not do this for himself.

The right decission for zero would have been to not take any sides. if he could have confront kaname and handle sara as well. but, apparently he decided to take sara's side and not to follow his duty as hunter.

Zero was moved by what Sarah said to him about what Kaname(maybe)did,we don't have the proof if kaname is evil or not,or if he had something related about zero's parents death,but i think zero realized that Sara's not the ally,but the enemy,if he's protecting her,it must be for killing her himself after all is finished!

caela wrote:@KuranPrince:People= vampires/humans/hunters

caela wrote:

@aya-chan: hehe, I don't think we will agree with this one, but the Hunter's association has been doing nothing for awhile....and that's pretty lame to me. Zero cannot openly go against the hunters lameness as a future president: for him to make any move worthwhile, he needs a strong non-hunter ally. His choices are (1) the Kurans (2) Sara. Zero could kill Sara if anything goes wrong...he won't be as easily able to stop the Kurans.

Also: Sara gave being a vampire as an option to those girls....Zero was forced to become a vampire. And yes, Sara is evil, and Kaname is also evil in Zero's eyes. Choices, choices.

mmm...throwing out his morals and shame on him?...How do you judge Kaname then? Zero considers Kaname "filth" and technically Kaname has killed more people than Sara: given a choice between Sara and Kaname...

juliet wrote:

mmm...throwing out his morals and shame on him?...How do you judge Kaname then? Zero considers Kaname "filth" and technically Kaname has killed more people than Sara: given a choice between Sara and Kaname...

I am sure that everyone will be judged according to his own actions, decisions and intentions at the end...and everyone is responsible for his own choices, there is no need to compare anything.

The discussion here is Zero that really surprises with his attitude.

Given the fact that he hates purebloods and he does not trust their nature > do we remember that he pushed Yuuki away due to that fact - the picture now with Sara is totally contradicting his own values let's say...

example if someone comes to you that you ditrust his/her NATURE, I am not even talking personality, with a secret that concerns you, you will be very very hesitant to fall for that "secret" unless you can verify that "secret".

Here Zero goes one step further protecting this source> why? what's the importance?

Furthermore how Sara knew that Zero would shield her when Zero found out that secret?

If he has a plan about killing Sara at the end- then why he does not leave Kaname do it for him as it was the initial plan? what is stopping him from killing her now? he has the charges, he has witnessed the events, she changed people, she attacked Hanadagi, there is the witness of the guardian, she killed Ouri, he was at the ball>

if he wishes to dig in to her story > she took prisoners at her cell, Takuma can confirm it, she imprisoned the president of the pharmaceutical company and made him work for her, she changed the tablets into a poison> what is there to protect?

What is the importancy of Sara here that deserves such a protection over the crimes that she has committed? I do not see here the excuse that he wants to finish her last> why? so what changes in terms of Kaname?

I am pushing it because I suddenly do not comprehend the overall change of his own perceptions and more than this the certainty with which Sara declares that Zero shall fall like Takuma and will act as her hunter's hand is astonishing, can it be that he has also taken his own share here of blood? or tablets? on what is he feeding on all of this time?

besides that i can not see a reasonable explanation to all of these...furthermore why is he running like that to Yuuki to announce her the news about his tragedy? what's the point and he shall earn out of it?

caela wrote:Zero's change in attitude: Sara convinced Zero that Kaname (from afar) killed his parents and brother. What proof was Zero given?...Only Zero and Sara know. We do not see the whole interaction between Sara and Zero.

Is the accusation possible?: One of our sources that Rido changed the execution list to include Shizuka's lover is Kaname himself. Rido was still recovering at that time from Kaname's attack. I also question Rido's motive for changing the list: I thought he was obsessed over Juuri, not Shizuka.

My thoughts are that Rido did not have the motive or the means. Kaname could possibly be involved here.

Kaname himself has shown little interest in killing Sara (so far). Yuuki said she would protect Sara if she stayed in one room. Zero now protecting Sara doesn't change much I think.

Why keep Sara to kill last?...maybe Zero wants to use Sara as a weapon...lol...who knows. Also, having a pureblood ally is beneficial, something Zero told Kaien in chap 78.

Also, Zero is playing chess now...trying to split the Kurans is a good move. But he seems too emotional there for this to be a reason. Most likely it is that he is upset for his family. In a sense, Yuuki is the last person alive he would consider family; he might be trying to save her from Kaname.

Bloodredhead wrote:

caela wrote:Zero's change in attitude: Sara convinced Zero that Kaname (from afar) killed his parents and brother. What proof was Zero given?...Only Zero and Sara know. We do not see the whole interaction between Sara and Zero.

Is the accusation possible?: One of our sources that Rido changed the execution list to include Shizuka's lover is Kaname himself. Rido was still recovering at that time from Kaname's attack. I also question Rido's motive for changing the list: I thought he was obsessed over Juuri, not Shizuka.

My thoughts are that Rido did not have the motive or the means. Kaname could possibly be involved here.

But how do you explain then shizuka blaming rido for the death of her lover and planning to get her vengence on him. for 4 years she planned revenge on rido not kaname. makes no sense unless it was rido who put her lover on the list which is later confirmed by Kaname, Ichiru and even Yagari hinted at it. http://www.mangareader.net/104-2166-17/vampire-knight/chapter-40.html

however kaname's sin is related to zero, i think all the proof points away from it being his parents death etc as stated above and, all the proof and hints we are getting point to the twin curse.

Kaname himself has shown little interest in killing Sara (so far). Yuuki said she would protect Sara if she stayed in one room. Zero now protecting Sara doesn't change much I think.

hmm...but zero's words are very telling. he says to yuuki he wont let her harm sara. harm doesnt always mean physcial harm it could be anything such as stopping her plans etc. yuuki has only stated she wouldnt let kaname kill sara, she's never stated she wouldnt stop her, and with her taking all the tablets away she has effectivly moved against sara, though not in a physical sense she is harming sara's plans. is see both their stances as being different here. seems more like zero wont let yuuki do anything against sara. question is why?

Why keep Sara to kill last?...maybe Zero wants to use Sara as a weapon...lol...who knows. Also, having a pureblood ally is beneficial, something Zero told Kaien in chap 78.

Yes i suppose having a pureblood ally is useful but why sara? why any pureblod for that matter on zero's part? he hates them and yet believes sara at the drop of a hat? seems a tad strange to me.

Also, Zero is playing chess now...trying to split the Kurans is a good move. But he seems too emotional there for this to be a reason. Most likely it is that he is upset for his family. In a sense, Yuuki is the last person alive he would consider family; he might be trying to save her from Kaname.

save her from kaname? could you please expand on what you mean by this? i'm curious to know.

caela wrote: All I know is that, the entire time I have been on all-up, I have always questioned even Rido's physical ability to change the list (his motive isn't that great either). Who ever changed the list is probably the enemy of the purebloods and Kaname, to me, is still a candidate. I suppose that means Sara is also a possibility. Rido was never written with enough brains to be a real possibility.

Is the accusation possible? As far as I am concerned, Kaname is smart enough to fool Shizuka. Also The girl was stuck in a cage for who knows how long. Its not like Shizuka was privy to all the latest information like Sara was.

About Zero trying to save Yuuki from Kaname: I meant it in a moral sense. Yuuki and Zero's dynamic has always been conditional (as opposed to Yume's unconditional dynamic): Yuuki protected Zero because of her sense of justice, and Zero protected Yuuki because of his respect of that sense of justice (yes, other reasons as well....but focusing on one reason for both for a reason).

nina wrote:So back to your interpretation about Zero’s motive … how noble is his stance; to use unconfirmed info to badmouth his rival and especially to Yuuki???

caela wrote:

nina wrote:So back to your interpretation about Zero’s motive … how noble is his stance; to use unconfirmed info to badmouth his rival and especially to Yuuki???

I don't have proof that Zero confirmed the accusation, and you don't have proof that he didn't confirm Sara's story. Badmouthing is only badmouthing if not confirmed. And yes, Rido was jello pudding during that time... Rido was not the one who changed the list.

Also the scans and proof you provided did not show any activity of Rido's until close to the time he attacked he Academy. Even Rido's second son was given birth to about 15-20 years prior to the Academy attack (noble vampires age at half-speed of human aging, during their youth). There is no proof of any activity, mental or otherwise from Rido 5-6 years prior when the list was changed.

Shiki was born 38-39 human years ago (again, noble vampires age at half-speed of human aging, during their youth). There was plenty of time before the Kaname attack on Rido to wish to see Shiki grown up.

Rido needs means, motive and opportunity. You gave no solid proof of any of the three.

(Also, what proof is there that Kaname is incapable of lying? Yuuki even called him a liar: chap 66: "You're an animal, also fragile and a liar")