Vampire Knight chapter 78 Full Raws + first translation

aya-chan wrote:Caela, my reply will be short,

In your history in this forum you came with strange theories, like:

>>>zero became a pureblood because he drank yuuki's blood, and according to your theory yuuki's blood has/had this power
But while you created this theory you dismissed fanbook and manga, where it was/is stated that purebloods vampires have no single drop of human blood inside their bodies.

>>>yuuki never were turned into a human by her mother, and you based that of yuuki's blood taste.
But again, creating this theory you dismissed manga and fanbook again.

I guess tossing aside fanbook and manga is something common.

lililovelilica wrote:

aya-chan wrote:Caela, my reply will be short,

In your history in this forum you came with strange theories, like:

>>>zero became a pureblood because he drank yuuki's blood, and according to your theory yuuki's blood has/had this power
But while you created this theory you dismissed fanbook and manga, where it was/is stated that purebloods vampires have no single drop of human blood inside their bodies.

>>>yuuki never were turned into a human by her mother, and you based that of yuuki's blood taste.
But again, creating this theory you dismissed manga and fanbook again.

I guess tossing aside fanbook and manga is something common.

I think that tossing the fanbook aside is a crime!
All the ideas and secrets of the story and characters are included there so you can't toss them!NEVER!
your idea is wrong about Zero being a pureblood,he was a HUMAN!

caela wrote:

aya-chan wrote:

caela wrote: Rido was jello pudding during that time... Rido was not the one who changed the list.

Rido was not the one who wrote the name on the list himself, but he was the one who ordered to the senate to get rid of shizuka's servant.



and you can see better in this one

There is no proof of any activity, mental or otherwise from Rido 5-6 years prior when the list was changed.

You try the big finger here. So, in your logic, if rido did not had any activity before changing the list means he did not change it?
rido was the one who ordered to the senate to get rid of shizuka's lover. evidence sustained by manga and fanbook .
If the fanbook and manga itself aren't proves to you then I do not know what is.

I suggest you to re-read manga/fanbook and then accuse others for not bringing proofs for their words. we yume demonstrate you that rido was the one responsable for zero's drama, but you did not show an evidence/facts which proved otherwise.

I will keep this simple because somehow everything I write is read by other people as rude.

umm...big finger?

anyways... I used a google search on "fanbook" and was only able to find one definition:

http://www.definition-of.net/fanbook
http://www.definition-of.net/fanbook

"definition of fanbook - Similar to a doujin, a fanbook is an unofficial art or comic book, created by a fan of any game, show or cartoon. Usually these fanbooks are created for Japanese anime and depict hentai themes."

Fanbooks, even official ones, do not carry canon status. If it had canon status, the name "fanbook" would not be in the title.

So yes, I am still waiting for proof. I am willing to wait for new chapters.

juliet wrote:the statement that the fan book provides for Rido changing the list is also stated multiple times in the manga by the direct interferaed people such as Shizuka, Ichiru (who tried to kill Rido) and also Yagari who was away in a search about the responsible of the Kiryu incident;

therefore canon or not canon the fan book states a canon event that was verified over and over again by multiple sources. There is no reason to doubt all these official sources just because Sara claims to know a secret > from a secret are we supposed to pass in doubting all of these sources that actually were supposed to investigate the crime?

And even if Sara claims it to be so, how much trust can you place upon her words when we know that her initial intention is to create a chaos at an academy and take in her possession Zero as a weapon against Kaname?

lililovelilica wrote:

juliet wrote:the statement that the fan book provides for Rido changing the list is also stated multiple times in the manga by the direct interferaed people such as Shizuka, Ichiru (who tried to kill Rido) and also Yagari who was away in a search about the responsible of the Kiryu incident;

therefore canon or not canon the fan book states a canon event that was verified over and over again by multiple sources. There is no reason to doubt all these official sources just because Sara claims to know a secret > from a secret are we supposed to pass in doubting all of these sources that actually were supposed to investigate the crime?

And even if Sara claims it to be so, how much trust can you place upon her words when we know that her initial intention is to create a chaos at an academy and take in her possession Zero as a weapon against Kaname?

YEAH,I thinks Sara is lying to everyone...
but she could be sayiung the truth behind her lies?
she's more enigmatic than Kaname
a mysterie
maybe she's just the same age as Juuri?
3.000 years old?
that's why she thinks she could be Kaname's enemy?

Kanamelover<3 wrote:

lililovelilica wrote:

juliet wrote:the statement that the fan book provides for Rido changing the list is also stated multiple times in the manga by the direct interferaed people such as Shizuka, Ichiru (who tried to kill Rido) and also Yagari who was away in a search about the responsible of the Kiryu incident;

therefore canon or not canon the fan book states a canon event that was verified over and over again by multiple sources. There is no reason to doubt all these official sources just because Sara claims to know a secret > from a secret are we supposed to pass in doubting all of these sources that actually were supposed to investigate the crime?

And even if Sara claims it to be so, how much trust can you place upon her words when we know that her initial intention is to create a chaos at an academy and take in her possession Zero as a weapon against Kaname?

YEAH,I thinks Sara is lying to everyone...
but she could be sayiung the truth behind her lies?
she's more enigmatic than Kaname
a mysterie
maybe she's just the same age as Juuri?
3.000 years old?
that's why she thinks she could be Kaname's enemy?

I don't think she is 3,000 years old, in the fanbook it says she is "A little older than Kaname" so maybe in Vampire years she is in her late twenties max?

lililovelilica wrote:

Kanamelover<3 wrote:

lililovelilica wrote:
YEAH,I thinks Sara is lying to everyone...
but she could be sayiung the truth behind her lies?
she's more enigmatic than Kaname
a mysterie
maybe she's just the same age as Juuri?
3.000 years old?
that's why she thinks she could be Kaname's enemy?

I don't think she is 3,000 years old, in the fanbook it says she is "A little older than Kaname" so maybe in Vampire years she is in her late twenties max?

REALLY?
WOW
i didn't knew that...thanks for the info...but she seems more mature than everyone!

Kanamelover<3 wrote:

lililovelilica wrote:

Kanamelover<3 wrote:

I don't think she is 3,000 years old, in the fanbook it says she is "A little older than Kaname" so maybe in Vampire years she is in her late twenties max?

REALLY?
WOW
i didn't knew that...thanks for the info...but she seems more mature than everyone!

I know she is XD. Who knows a really shocking plot twist may occur like....."Sara is the hooded Woman!"

Nah probs not, but I think there is much MUCH more to her than what meets the eye
I wonder what she really truly is

Maria Kuran wrote:

Kanamelover<3 wrote:

lililovelilica wrote:
REALLY?
WOW
i didn't knew that...thanks for the info...but she seems more mature than everyone!

I know she is XD. Who knows a really shocking plot twist may occur like....."Sara is the hooded Woman!"

Nah probs not, but I think there is much MUCH more to her than what meets the eye
I wonder what she really truly is

She is one . who not cares nothing more than to be queen and that Kaname will slowly destroy and kill!


But if she has 3,000 years, but Kaname is older than her, since Kaname is an ancestor and sara is not an ancestor right? I do not understand help me!? Please!!!

Kanamelover<3 wrote:

Maria Kuran wrote:

Kanamelover<3 wrote:

I know she is XD. Who knows a really shocking plot twist may occur like....."Sara is the hooded Woman!"

Nah probs not, but I think there is much MUCH more to her than what meets the eye
I wonder what she really truly is

She is one . who not cares nothing more than to be queen and that Kaname will slowly destroy and kill!


But if she has 3,000 years, but Kaname is older than her, since Kaname is an ancestor and sara is not an ancestor right? I do not understand help me!? Please!!!

Well in the fanbook it says Sara is "A little older than Kaname" but I think what it meant was how old he is excluding the years he has as the ancestor.

Kaname's age in Vampire years: 19 (excluding the 10,000 slumber and Ancestor years)
Sara's age in Vampire Years: 20+ because it says she is a little older than Kaname.

Sara is definitely not 3,000 unless she is hiding something

Does that make sense at all?

Maria Kuran wrote:

Kanamelover<3 wrote:

Maria Kuran wrote:

She is one . who not cares nothing more than to be queen and that Kaname will slowly destroy and kill!


But if she has 3,000 years, but Kaname is older than her, since Kaname is an ancestor and sara is not an ancestor right? I do not understand help me!? Please!!!

Well in the fanbook it says Sara is "A little older than Kaname" but I think what it meant was how old he is excluding the years he has as the ancestor.

Kaname's age in Vampire years: 19 (excluding the 10,000 slumber and Ancestor years)
Sara's age in Vampire Years: 20+ because it says she is a little older than Kaname.

Sara is definitely not 3,000 unless she is hiding something

Does that make sense at all?

Well maybe say that she's older than younger Kaname (the now).
Excluding the ancestor.
Then Sara is older than him because of the years he lost as a child and that ... I think?!?

But Kaname is the older because he is the ancestor ...

Kanamelover<3 wrote:

Maria Kuran wrote:

Kanamelover<3 wrote:

Well in the fanbook it says Sara is "A little older than Kaname" but I think what it meant was how old he is excluding the years he has as the ancestor.

Kaname's age in Vampire years: 19 (excluding the 10,000 slumber and Ancestor years)
Sara's age in Vampire Years: 20+ because it says she is a little older than Kaname.

Sara is definitely not 3,000 unless she is hiding something

Does that make sense at all?

Well maybe say that she's older than younger Kaname (the now).
Excluding the ancestor.
Then Sara is older than him because of the years he lost as a child and that ... I think?!?

But Kaname is the older because he is the ancestor ...

Well I think that's it ... Because there is no way that , is greater than our beautiful and powerful Kaname
Yeah I think I get what you mean now

juliet wrote:Back to the chapter we see that everything goes according to Sara's plans but what are Sara's plan there?

do you think that she expected Kaname's visit there (therefore she creates so much chaos with her secret) or this would come to a surprise there? and your predictions about the reason that Kaname visited the academy? (even though perhaps he is not real there but a shadow, that's an option also)...

Lastly there is this weird line from Hanadagi's servant
http://www.mangareader.net/vampire-knight/78/26

that Hanadagi would be still alive if Sara had not invaded the castle; we can say that this is true as Kaname's plan seems to begin the moment that Sara broke the seal at Hanadagi...why the guardian does not blame Kaname but Sara? any ideas and thoughts about this?

juliet wrote:Back to the chapter we see that everything goes according to Sara's plans but what are Sara's plan there?

do you think that she expected Kaname's visit there (therefore she creates so much chaos with her secret) or this would come to a surprise there? and your predictions about the reason that Kaname visited the academy? (even though perhaps he is not real there but a shadow, that's an option also)...

Lastly there is this weird line from Hanadagi's servant
http://www.mangareader.net/vampire-knight/78/26

that Hanadagi would be still alive if Sara had not invaded the castle; we can say that this is true as Kaname's plan seems to begin the moment that Sara broke the seal at Hanadagi...why the guardian does not blame Kaname but Sara? any ideas and thoughts about this?

Maria Kuran wrote:

juliet wrote:Back to the chapter we see that everything goes according to Sara's plans but what are Sara's plan there?

do you think that she expected Kaname's visit there (therefore she creates so much chaos with her secret) or this would come to a surprise there? and your predictions about the reason that Kaname visited the academy? (even though perhaps he is not real there but a shadow, that's an option also)...

Lastly there is this weird line from Hanadagi's servant
http://www.mangareader.net/vampire-knight/78/26

that Hanadagi would be still alive if Sara had not invaded the castle; we can say that this is true as Kaname's plan seems to begin the moment that Sara broke the seal at Hanadagi...why the guardian does not blame Kaname but Sara? any ideas and thoughts about this?

Maybe as you said it: She may blame Sara, because she was attacked at his master firts.
Another option is that Sara had told all his plans ... saying something like, "Kaname will be the dirty work for me, killing all the pure bloods blablabla.... Or something like that. Then she sack deductions, that the real culprit was not Kaname, but Sara yes ... We know that Sara had hanadagi´s servant since Hanadagi was kill ... Then this may be the reason why she don´t blame Kaname directly but blame Sara, of what happened.

And part of that Kaname appeared in one of his shadow, that's a strong possibility, I do not think Kaname risks going to the academy full of hunters ... well not alone .... Thanks!!! Great post!!! made me think more that the usual jajaja thanks

juliet wrote:Back to the chapter we see that everything goes according to Sara's plans but what are Sara's plan there?

do you think that she expected Kaname's visit there (therefore she creates so much chaos with her secret) or this would come to a surprise there? and your predictions about the reason that Kaname visited the academy?

even though perhaps he is not real there but a shadow, that's an option also

Lastly there is this weird line from Hanadagi's servant
http://www.mangareader.net/vampire-knight/78/26

that Hanadagi would be still alive if Sara had not invaded the castle; we can say that this is true as Kaname's plan seems to begin the moment that Sara broke the seal at Hanadagi...why the guardian does not blame Kaname but Sara? any ideas and thoughts about this?

I think sara expected kaname to come after her when she will enrage him enough.

Chapter 56, volume 12

Sara: I am going to become queen.

Takuma: You think Kaname will allow that?

Sara: Of course not. He's the king. He confessed to you that he was the progenitor, didn't he? If that is true and I were Kaname I'd leave me alone for the time being. There will be no forgiveness. He will take my life the moment I anger him. That's what I'd do.

And I think she had already enraged him. Her moves made yuuki to share her blood with vampires to bring them to their senses, and I doubt kaname is pleased with that.

Maybe she consider sara being the one who gave the first blow to her master, and he had become weaker unable to fight and defend himself.

I'm sure she just wants to kill Sara because her master is dead now...and was killed by sara's hand...what a cruel girl

I think sara wanted someone who can wield anti-vampire weapons on her side. If she had plans to bring yuuki on her side probably she noticed is harder to do so. but I think from the beggining she was after Zero.

In one chapter - I forgot in which, but I think it was in 73 - Sara said to takuma that in academy is something she want and the next panel was with Zero.
Zero was an easy target for her since all she had to do was to take advantage of his hatred toward Kaname.

aya-chan wrote:

Juliet wrote: Back to the chapter we see that everything goes according to Sara's plans but what are Sara's plan there?

I think sara wanted someone who can wield anti-vampire weapons on her side. If she had plans to bring yuuki on her side probably she noticed is harder to do so. but I think from the beggining she was after Zero.

In one chapter - I forgot in which, but I think it was in 73 - Sara said to takuma that in academy is something she want and the next panel was with Zero.
Zero was an easy target for her since all she had to do was to take advantage of his hatred toward Kaname.

aya-chan wrote: I think sara expected kaname to come after her when she will enrage him enough.

Chapter 56, volume 12

Sara: I am going to become queen.

Takuma: You think Kaname will allow that?

Sara: Of course not. He's the king. He confessed to you that he was the progenitor, didn't he? If that is true and I were Kaname I'd leave me alone for the time being. There will be no forgiveness. He will take my life the moment I anger him. That's what I'd do.

And I think she had already enraged him.

Juliet wrote: Can she really want Kaname to burst in the academy right now that she has begun to control the game?

aya-chan wrote: I think kaname could have went to sara without checking on yuuki, but he stopped there. I am sure he missed her and he couldn't abstain himself, but why would he come to see her first when in previous chapter he said he doesn't want yuuki to interfere? wasn't simple to him to skip her?

Juliet wrote: But why Kaname to allow her such a shield? i think he won't and his appearance has a lot to do with this; could he leave Zero right now as a weapon to Sara's hands? whatever problems Zero has, apparently there are more at stake right now than the hunter's psychological issues, i am saying that in a good sense.

aya-chan wrote: I think kaname could have went to sara without checking on yuuki, but he stopped there. I am sure he missed her and he couldn't abstain himself, but why would he come to see her first when in previous chapter he said he doesn't want yuuki to interfere? wasn't simple to him to skip her?

Maria Kuran wrote:

aya-chan wrote: I think kaname could have went to sara without checking on yuuki, but he stopped there. I am sure he missed her and he couldn't abstain himself, but why would he come to see her first when in previous chapter he said he doesn't want yuuki to interfere? wasn't simple to him to skip her?

Well that was my first thought, since Yuki was going to Sara's room, I also believe that Kaname was on his way there, and as we saw she found there Kaname , or it may be that he really had desire to see and ... to suck her blood .......Well that´s my opinion...

lililovelilica wrote:

Maria Kuran wrote:

aya-chan wrote: I think kaname could have went to sara without checking on yuuki, but he stopped there. I am sure he missed her and he couldn't abstain himself, but why would he come to see her first when in previous chapter he said he doesn't want yuuki to interfere? wasn't simple to him to skip her?

Well that was my first thought, since Yuki was going to Sara's room, I also believe that Kaname was on his way there, and as we saw she found there Kaname , or it may be that he really had desire to see and ... to suck her blood .......Well that´s my opinion...

I'm certain he just missed her so much that he couldn't stop to think of her safety(since she got attacked by other vampires)and went to see her if she was okay...and saw such a scene(zero grabbing Yuuki and blurting lies)of course he would make a sad and angry face right?

Maria Kuran wrote:

lililovelilica wrote:

Maria Kuran wrote:

Well that was my first thought, since Yuki was going to Sara's room, I also believe that Kaname was on his way there, and as we saw she found there Kaname , or it may be that he really had desire to see and ... to suck her blood .......Well that´s my opinion...

I'm certain he just missed her so much that he couldn't stop to think of her safety(since she got attacked by other vampires)and went to see her if she was okay...and saw such a scene(zero grabbing Yuuki and blurting lies)of course he would make a sad and angry face right?

yes why kaname have to handle that? Of course not!!! A less coming from zero!!!

Maria Kuran wrote:

lililovelilica wrote:

Maria Kuran wrote:

Well that was my first thought, since Yuki was going to Sara's room, I also believe that Kaname was on his way there, and as we saw she found there Kaname , or it may be that he really had desire to see and ... to suck her blood .......Well that´s my opinion...

I'm certain he just missed her so much that he couldn't stop to think of her safety(since she got attacked by other vampires)and went to see her if she was okay...and saw such a scene(zero grabbing Yuuki and blurting lies)of course he would make a sad and angry face right?

yes why kaname have to handle that? Of course not!!! A less coming from zero!!!