Zeki or Yume?

nina wrote:

Shoujo-Zo wrote: 1. Yuuki told Zero to protect Sara and she would go after Kaname...

Correct, with one difference … she said to protect Sara for now.

Also Yuuki said a few times that she doesn’t trust Sara and she also told to Zero what Sara did to Hanadagi but Zero didn’t care … And I do not mean to care about Hanadagi ofc but to open his eyes and see that Sara and Kaname are lying… with one big difference … Sara’s lies absolving her from her crimes whereas Kaname’s lies are convicting him for crimes that he even hasn’t commit. Can you see the difference and what that means?

2. Yuuki said she'd stop Kaname even if she had to cut him open.

Correct … she said to stop, NOT to KILL him while Zero’s intention as it seems thus far is to kill him. Do you see the difference, again?

Yuuki clearly said that she’ll use the scythe to take his regenerating ability and immobilize him << this is what she meant by saying “I’ll cut you open” and not killing him cuz of what he has done with the PBs. BIG difference!
http://www.mangahere.com/manga/vampire_knight/v16/c081/15.html

Furthermore … did by any chance cross your mind that Yuuki wants to stop him also cuz she’s afraid that he has taken a self-destructive path?
The fact that she repeats Kaname’s wording that he has no life without Yuuki and he confirmed them again doesn’t mean that he doesn’t care for his life afterwards? >>

Yuuki: You told me this in front of the room with the coffin…
Kaname: I remember that. That’s the reason why I gave you Artemis back to you…
http://www.mangahere.com/manga/vampire_knight/v16/c081/15.html

In other words he is telling her that he wants to kill him after the end of his plan…
So this is another reason for Yuuki to want to stop him …

If you notice i said "kind of" teamed up and i also said " not teamed up against him in battle quite yet...but still both against him" I did not say they were officially on a team against him... just that they're both against him. As in Zero wants to kill him... and Yuuki simply wants to stop him. She wouldn't want to stop him if she wasn't against his recent course of action.

The point here is that Yuuki didn’t ask from Zero:

1. To kill Kaname
2. To drink from Sara

She only asked him to protect Sara for now adding that she doesn’t worry for him i.e. how he’ll handle Sara. His move to drink from her I doubt if will find Yuuki agreed. And if Zero wants indeed to kill Kaname and Sara’s blood will have similar effects that it had to Takuma for example, then we can say that Zero betrayed Yuuki’s trust on him rather than they are teaming up.

- Yuuki wants to stop Kaname from killing PBs … does Zero want to stop him from killing the PBs? I think no one can support that Zero wants to protect them or the mankind by wanting to kill Kaname … his motive is his personal vendetta.

- Yuuki said to Kaname that she doesn’t give up on him … she doesn’t want to abandon her – despite what he did or said - and if he is to leave her he must kill her or to let her kill him as they promised. >
http://www.mangahere.com/manga/vampire_knight/v16/c081/14.html

In short she cannot live without him! I didn’t see in your posts anywhere to refer on that
Does Zero have the same wish? I mean his goal is to reunite Yume? Haha …

Did she say that she’ll kill him cuz of what he did to Zero? Did she say that she’ll kill him cuz he killed PBs? No …
So, with the facts that we have thus far I hardly can see that Yuuki’s intentions/motives are identifying with Zero’s i.e. “kinda teaming up” …

The crucial point is the motive behind the wording…
By isolating a phrase such as “let me kill you” or “I’ll cut you open” you are falsifying the context. And I wonder why; IF you believe that the context is in your favor?

I'd rather Sara win than Kaname at this point.

Having said that … do you know Sara’s motive? She wants to dominate the entire world, humans and vampires whereas Kaname wants to protect the mankind. She also wants to make Zero a pawn on her hands … a killing machine. Therefore I see that your hate for Kaname is bigger than your love for Zero … since Sara’s plans for him aren’t exactly pure

But regardless of you personal feelings for Kaname you should be able to recognize that he is the last barrier there between Sara and her evil plans…

By saying that you want Sara to win than Kaname personally is making me happy, rather than pissed if this was your intention , cuz you are a Zeki and proves to me how you read and comprehend the story…
If you think that Zero’s siding with her is boosting your ship and sinking Yume, or favoring Zero and blackening Kaname … keep going on cheering Sara!!! \0/

nina wrote:

Shoujo-Zo wrote: 1. Yuuki told Zero to protect Sara and she would go after Kaname...

Correct, with one difference … she said to protect Sara for now.

Also Yuuki said a few times that she doesn’t trust Sara and she also told to Zero what Sara did to Hanadagi but Zero didn’t care … And I do not mean to care about Hanadagi ofc but to open his eyes and see that Sara and Kaname are lying… with one big difference … Sara’s lies absolving her from her crimes whereas Kaname’s lies are convicting him for crimes that he even hasn’t commit. Can you see the difference and what that means?

2. Yuuki said she'd stop Kaname even if she had to cut him open.

Correct … she said to stop, NOT to KILL him while Zero’s intention as it seems thus far is to kill him. Do you see the difference, again?

Yuuki clearly said that she’ll use the scythe to take his regenerating ability and immobilize him << this is what she meant by saying “I’ll cut you open” and not killing him cuz of what he has done with the PBs. BIG difference!
http://www.mangahere.com/manga/vampire_knight/v16/c081/15.html

Furthermore … did by any chance cross your mind that Yuuki wants to stop him also cuz she’s afraid that he has taken a self-destructive path?
The fact that she repeats Kaname’s wording that he has no life without Yuuki and he confirmed them again doesn’t mean that he doesn’t care for his life afterwards? >>

Yuuki: You told me this in front of the room with the coffin…
Kaname: I remember that. That’s the reason why I gave you Artemis back to you…
http://www.mangahere.com/manga/vampire_knight/v16/c081/15.html

In other words he is telling her that he wants to kill him after the end of his plan…
So this is another reason for Yuuki to want to stop him …

If you notice i said "kind of" teamed up and i also said " not teamed up against him in battle quite yet...but still both against him" I did not say they were officially on a team against him... just that they're both against him. As in Zero wants to kill him... and Yuuki simply wants to stop him. She wouldn't want to stop him if she wasn't against his recent course of action.

The point here is that Yuuki didn’t ask from Zero:

1. To kill Kaname
2. To drink from Sara

She only asked him to protect Sara for now adding that she doesn’t worry for him i.e. how he’ll handle Sara. His move to drink from her I doubt if will find Yuuki agreed. And if Zero wants indeed to kill Kaname and Sara’s blood will have similar effects that it had to Takuma for example, then we can say that Zero betrayed Yuuki’s trust on him rather than they are teaming up.

- Yuuki wants to stop Kaname from killing PBs … does Zero want to stop him from killing the PBs? I think no one can support that Zero wants to protect them or the mankind by wanting to kill Kaname … his motive is his personal vendetta.

- Yuuki said to Kaname that she doesn’t give up on him … she doesn’t want to abandon her – despite what he did or said - and if he is to leave her he must kill her or to let her kill him as they promised. >
http://www.mangahere.com/manga/vampire_knight/v16/c081/14.html

In short she cannot live without him! I didn’t see in your posts anywhere to refer on that
Does Zero have the same wish? I mean his goal is to reunite Yume? Haha …

Did she say that she’ll kill him cuz of what he did to Zero? Did she say that she’ll kill him cuz he killed PBs? No …
So, with the facts that we have thus far I hardly can see that Yuuki’s intentions/motives are identifying with Zero’s i.e. “kinda teaming up” …

The crucial point is the motive behind the wording…
By isolating a phrase such as “let me kill you” or “I’ll cut you open” you are falsifying the context. And I wonder why; IF you believe that the context is in your favor?

I'd rather Sara win than Kaname at this point.

Having said that … do you know Sara’s motive? She wants to dominate the entire world, humans and vampires whereas Kaname wants to protect the mankind. She also wants to make Zero a pawn on her hands … a killing machine. Therefore I see that your hate for Kaname is bigger than your love for Zero … since Sara’s plans for him aren’t exactly pure

But regardless of you personal feelings for Kaname you should be able to recognize that he is the last barrier there between Sara and her evil plans…

By saying that you want Sara to win than Kaname personally is making me happy, rather than pissed if this was your intention , cuz you are a Zeki and proves to me how you read and comprehend the story…
If you think that Zero’s siding with her is boosting your ship and sinking Yume, or favoring Zero and blackening Kaname … keep going on cheering Sara!!! \0/

juliet wrote:At this phase that the script is going I would like to sympathize for both VK boys, each one with his own weakness...the point is not who Yuuki shall choose but that they both turn happy (this is the only thing that i hope for right now )

stuffs wrote:ima zeki and that's because I loathe kaname A LOT and so do my friends too really because he looks SO weird (don't loathe me because i said this because this is my opinion and i will oath myself to NEVER change this opinion either will no one make me) and when yuki and zero are together they are really sweet

stuffs wrote:ima zeki and that's because I loathe kaname A LOT and so do my friends too really because he looks SO weird (don't loathe me because i said this because this is my opinion and i will oath myself to NEVER change this opinion either will no one make me) and when yuki and zero are together they are really sweet

stuffs wrote:ima zeki and that's because I loathe kaname A LOT and so do my friends too really because he looks SO weird (don't loathe me because i said this because this is my opinion and i will oath myself to NEVER change this opinion either will no one make me) and when yuki and zero are together they are really sweet

"Yuuki, the safest place is beside me."
"If you weren't there for me, I wouldn't be here."
"I love you more than anything in the world."
"Flap your wings and fly freely, Yuuki.
No matter how far you go,
you'll still be the most precious person to me in this world."
"Yuki, I want to tell you that the world is not beautiful. It's the world that's reflected in Yuki's eyes that's beautiful."

"Please taint me too, oniisama... Because I love your hands, tainted or not... And if you are to be branded as a sinful and tainted vampire, then... Then I want to fall down with you to the very farthest depths...!"

via2myrene wrote:in the first time i saw vk, i fell for zero. i even said "he is so good looking!"
then my bff (who introduced me to vk) said that kaname is charming. "you should like him more!" she told me.

then after i saw the chapters about kaname's sacrifices and love to yuuki..

i fall for him!

asdfghjkl he is soooo great. *~* i mean, i don't really understand why kaname turned into the opposite side of yuuki, but i still want him to be yuuki's man. yet yuuki adores him so much, and still put a faith on him though he is doing wrong.

"Yuuki, the safest place is beside me."
"If you weren't there for me, I wouldn't be here."
"I love you more than anything in the world."
"Flap your wings and fly freely, Yuuki.
No matter how far you go,
you'll still be the most precious person to me in this world."
"Yuki, I want to tell you that the world is not beautiful. It's the world that's reflected in Yuki's eyes that's beautiful."

"Please taint me too, oniisama... Because I love your hands, tainted or not... And if you are to be branded as a sinful and tainted vampire, then... Then I want to fall down with you to the very farthest depths...!"

nina wrote:

Shoujo-Zo wrote: 1. Yuuki told Zero to protect Sara and she would go after Kaname...

Correct, with one difference … she said to protect Sara for now.

nina wrote:

Shoujo-Zo wrote: 2. Yuuki said she'd stop Kaname even if she had to cut him open.

Correct … she said to stop, NOT to KILL him while Zero’s intention as it seems thus far is to kill him. Do you see the difference, again?

nina wrote:

Shoujo-Zo wrote: If you notice i said "kind of" teamed up and i also said " not teamed up against him in battle quite yet...but still both against him" I did not say they were officially on a team against him... just that they're both against him. As in Zero wants to kill him... and Yuuki simply wants to stop him. She wouldn't want to stop him if she wasn't against his recent course of action.

The point here is that Yuuki didn’t ask from Zero:

1. To kill Kaname
2. To drink from Sara

nina wrote:Did she say that she’ll kill him cuz of what he did to Zero? Did she say that she’ll kill him cuz he killed PBs? No …
So, with the facts that we have thus far I hardly can see that Yuuki’s intentions/motives are identifying with Zero’s i.e. “kinda teaming up” …

nina wrote:

Shoujo-Zo wrote: I'd rather Sara win than Kaname at this point.

Having said that … do you know Sara’s motive? She wants to dominate the entire world, humans and vampires whereas Kaname wants to protect the mankind. She also wants to make Zero a pawn on her hands … a killing machine. Therefore I see that your hate for Kaname is bigger than your love for Zero … since Sara’s plans for him aren’t exactly pure

nina wrote:But regardless of you personal feelings for Kaname you should be able to recognize that he is the last barrier there between Sara and her evil plans…

By saying that you want Sara to win than Kaname personally is making me happy, rather than pissed if this was your intention , cuz you are a Zeki and proves to me how you read and comprehend the story…
If you think that Zero’s siding with her is boosting your ship and sinking Yume, or favoring Zero and blackening Kaname … keep going on cheering Sara!!! \0/

Shoujo-Zo18 wrote:

nina wrote:

Shoujo-Zo wrote: 1. Yuuki told Zero to protect Sara and she would go after Kaname...

Correct, with one difference … she said to protect Sara for now.

And has she said to stop protecting her yet? No... as I recall the most recent chapter ended with Yuuki siding with Zero in front of the door that would lead to Sara... Blocking Kaname's way...protecting her.

nina wrote:

Shoujo-Zo wrote: 2. Yuuki said she'd stop Kaname even if she had to cut him open.

Correct … she said to stop, NOT to KILL him while Zero’s intention as it seems thus far is to kill him. Do you see the difference, again?

I already knew that difference... of course Yuuki doesn't want to kill Kaname. She even confirmed that she's not emotionally capable of trying to kill Kaname in chapter 83... Though she did say she does not know what comes next after capturing him... so having made her resolve, hopefully she'll have a little time to think about that. I'm just saying she's not on his side, she does not agree with the things he has been doing, and she's already said that she will stop him no matter what it takes.... ( which if Kaname doesn't back down and makes things too difficult...may mean he has to die). But i'm not sure he's willing to go that far...who knows with Kaname.

nina wrote:

Shoujo-Zo wrote: If you notice i said "kind of" teamed up and i also said " not teamed up against him in battle quite yet...but still both against him" I did not say they were officially on a team against him... just that they're both against him. As in Zero wants to kill him... and Yuuki simply wants to stop him. She wouldn't want to stop him if she wasn't against his recent course of action.

The point here is that Yuuki didn’t ask from Zero:

1. To kill Kaname
2. To drink from Sara

That wasn't the point at all... >.>; Suddenly Yuuki runs the show? I'm pretty sure she already knows Zero & Kaname hate each other.... whether she asked Zero to do these things is irrelevant because she does not control Zero... is that why you like Yume so much because Kaname controlled Yuuki? I can see that Zero has way overstepped his boundaries by not obeying the pureblood princess.
The point that I was trying to make... was that despite KuranPrince's remark "I seriously doubt that Yuuki and Zero will ever team up against Kaname." it has happened, and it's been even more-so confirmed since that post was made. Yuuki asked Zero if it was alright to stay by his side... I'm not saying that had any romantic implications at all, but she pretty much asked if she could team up with him. And where did the chapter leave off? Zero&Yuuki on one side and Kaname on the other.

nina wrote:Did she say that she’ll kill him cuz of what he did to Zero? Did she say that she’ll kill him cuz he killed PBs? No …
So, with the facts that we have thus far I hardly can see that Yuuki’s intentions/motives are identifying with Zero’s i.e. “kinda teaming up” …

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Ah no.... as you have stated, and I have stated, Yuuki only wants to stop Kaname.... I thought we already covered that? >.> I don't know if it's partly what motivates her, but yes she was upset about what Kaname supposedly did to Zero's family. And yes, she does want to stop him because he is killing purebloods, along with hurting many other innocent people, as Yuuki said.

nina wrote:

Shoujo-Zo wrote: I'd rather Sara win than Kaname at this point.

Having said that … do you know Sara’s motive? She wants to dominate the entire world, humans and vampires whereas Kaname wants to protect the mankind. She also wants to make Zero a pawn on her hands … a killing machine. Therefore I see that your hate for Kaname is bigger than your love for Zero … since Sara’s plans for him aren’t exactly pure

No I don't think I was fully aware of Sara's motive at that time... I knew she was turning all the girls into vampires and wanted to overthrow Kaname to become "Queen", that was my thought at the time of that post. xD I see now her plans are much more diabolical now...:/ Especially after reading part of her plans in volume 14 and refreshing my memory. But I still don't want Kaname to get what he wants by killing her... I think we've had enough evil purebloods dying... she doesn't have to be killed, just stopped... isn't there any sort of vampire prison or is death the only solution Kaname can come up with? :I

nina wrote:But regardless of you personal feelings for Kaname you should be able to recognize that he is the last barrier there between Sara and her evil plans…

By saying that you want Sara to win than Kaname personally is making me happy, rather than pissed if this was your intention , cuz you are a Zeki and proves to me how you read and comprehend the story…
If you think that Zero’s siding with her is boosting your ship and sinking Yume, or favoring Zero and blackening Kaname … keep going on cheering Sara!!! \0/

Actually I have a little more of an open mind than that, I do not think Kaname is the only one who can defeat Sara thank you very much. If there's hope that Kaname, the ancient Vampire with tons of power can be defeated by his 17 year old little sister... then I'm pretty sure there's hope that Sara, a normal pureblood can be defeated by someone other than Kaname...

I wasn't trying to make anyone pissed, I was just saying my opinion at the time, sorry if you think that's my intention... i don't provoke unless provoked...and the original post wasn't even aimed at you specifically...it was to KuranPrince, you just happened to be the person who replied to it. xP Yes, I am a Zeki and I will read and comprehend the story however I like.... I have nothing to prove to a Yume who thinks on an entirely different level than I do. Atleast concerning certain things... i'd like to think nonshipping discussions are neutral. :/

lililovelilica wrote:Yume for Sure!
I don't wanna see Kaname's sad face never again!
I would love to see him smile to Yuuki as a Happy vampire!
He suffered enough for the people he protected and his old love and for Yuuki!
Yume fans are gathering together!
I am against Hino-sensei Killing such a charismatic,sexy,intelligent and famous character!
Plus I LOVE KANAME WITH ALL MY HEART!

lucykaede wrote:

lililovelilica wrote:Yume for Sure!
I don't wanna see Kaname's sad face never again!
I would love to see him smile to Yuuki as a Happy vampire!
He suffered enough for the people he protected and his old love and for Yuuki!
Yume fans are gathering together!
I am against Hino-sensei Killing such a charismatic,sexy,intelligent and famous character!
Plus I LOVE KANAME WITH ALL MY HEART!

yeah protest against killing kaname,rather kill sara,kaein(because he loved juuri and she is dead so kaein is better off dead than alone)and real villain.

lililovelilica wrote:

lucykaede wrote:

lililovelilica wrote:Yume for Sure!
I don't wanna see Kaname's sad face never again!
I would love to see him smile to Yuuki as a Happy vampire!
He suffered enough for the people he protected and his old love and for Yuuki!
Yume fans are gathering together!
I am against Hino-sensei Killing such a charismatic,sexy,intelligent and famous character!
Plus I LOVE KANAME WITH ALL MY HEART!

yeah protest against killing kaname,rather kill sara,kaein(because he loved juuri and she is dead so kaein is better off dead than alone)and real villain.

Yeah,but Kaien is such a good guy,if someone has to die here,It's sara shirabuki,everyone hates her! Even if she's the queen(or consider herself one)Kaname is the REAL KING!

EmeraldSky wrote:Although I like the couple name of yume (makes me think of the word dream from its Japanese word), I am Zeki all the way. I felt it in the first season right away and right off the bat.

I feel totally ripped off that in the anime we never got a kissing scene from those two!! Close in the 2nd season....and even that was pretty intense!

Shoujo-Zo18 wrote:

EmeraldSky wrote:Although I like the couple name of yume (makes me think of the word dream from its Japanese word), I am Zeki all the way. I felt it in the first season right away and right off the bat.

I feel totally ripped off that in the anime we never got a kissing scene from those two!! Close in the 2nd season....and even that was pretty intense!

Lol yes it does mean dream doesn't it? Maybe that foretells something... I know how you feel. My thoughts when I first saw Vampire Knight, well.. I watched it because I love vampires lol So obviously at first I was like " Oh, that Kaname guys is pretty cool... sterotypical mysterious,dark and handsome..." but then seeing the actual relationship with Zero & Yuuki while Kaname was in the background, I saw that they were much closer and always would be. :)Plus it didn't help that Kaname said he was "keeping Zero alive only to protect Yuuki" this was when I realized his true nature. :/ I know, the almost kiss scene had me yelling at the computer screen " You idiot! Why didn't you kiss her? You were RIGHT THERE! So close!" xD