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Shoujo-Zo18 wrote:Makes me think he totally still loves her ;3 He basically wants her to make him her slave xD ( that's how i took it.. hehe but that's just me x3 )
KIDDING! Haha I would LOVE to see that happen 
I swear Zero was hitting on her there when he grabbed her and pulled her towards him 
Did anyone else notice the sly little smile on his face...?? 
(sorry not sorry, actually). But that scene was still hot 
(...cause all Zero scenes are! ...as you can probably tell, I like Zero. He's so sexy )
Howl4fun wrote: I still don't get what this has to do with the subject... Zero bit Kaname so he could delay his process of falling to level E. He would never bite Kaname just because he suffered from a wound, Kaname did that to trigger him more into it. Maybe that was your point? Yes, wounds can trigger, but when it means biting someone you don't want to bite (ZeroxKaname) or someone you can't bite (ZeroxYuuki) other factors will play in. We might have a different interpretions of 60 too. It sounds like you think Yuuki was aware what she was doing, that she was about to bite Zero. I thought it was clear she was halfway unconscious and only followed her instincts at the time, which was biting someone who's scent smelt nice to her, not realizing who it was. She then "woke up" and realized who and the situation. Her retreating had nothing to do with their relationship, she had no right to bite him, much less allowed to do it. She's also promised Kaname to only ever drink from him, so it was probably a shock to her when she found out, as it'd almost been like cheating, lol. We know biting is used as a metaphor for love (and in some cases, sex) ("your thirst can only be stilled by your loved one"), so her "Omg, what did I do? I have to get away!" reaction afterwards is pretty funny XD But of course, if you interpret it in a different way, I won't argue with you on that. It's not that essential to this discussion either.
why not Yuuki try to bite Zero since she was traumatized (=blood thirst), unconscious (=her vampirish instinct for blood was in alert) and she was in the arms of a person she loves (=that counts for any type of love) and used to feel comfortable with; hence her guards were down.
Howl4fun wrote: Sorry, but that's a weak reasoning. Regardless how she drank Kaname's blood, she still drank his blood.
Howl4fun wrote: It'd be a bit silly if all this was solved with "Oh never mind Kaname, I only had to use my fangs properly, your blood is good enough now." wouldn't it? That'd be the least complex VK dilemma ever,
Shoujo-Zo18 wrote:Thank you thank you for uploading thiS!!! <3<3 X3 I just found this site recently and I am a major fan of vk <3 I realized earlier, "Oh! It's June! The new chapter of VK should be uploaded somewhere!" And this site is the only place I could find it so you are my hero x3 Omg, I can't believe what Zero said to Yuuki... Makes me think he totally still loves her ;3 He basically wants her to make him her slave xD ( that's how i took it.. hehe but that's just me x3 )
lmao.… I clearly stated that she was unconscious and due to her wound her basic instinct drove her to almost bite Zero … like a reflex! Do I have to bold every word? Please don’t twist my words!
Her unconsciousness plus the nostalgic scent helped to pursuit blood more freely (=her guards were down) based on the basic instinct as a vampire! When she regained consciousness, meaning when she was aware of what she almost was going to do, she held back <<< at that time the emotions and her logic suppressed the instinct, not the other way around!
You want to believe the reverse order, that her love for Zero drove her, that her suppressed romantic feelings were the initial reason. You are free to believe whatever you want. Unfortunately for you the conditions don’t support your POV, cuz Hino has put additional reasons such as her wound and her unconscious state! These two factors outweigh any type of feeling or the logic … the basic instinct is dominated! And that’s why I used Zero’s example to point out how the need for blood in a traumatized state has more gravity than any kind of feeling! Zero overlooked his hatred and eventually drank from Kaname! Now you said that he did it in order to delay for falling into level-e. Again that could be translated as basic instinct for survival, viz the feeling (hate) played a second role here too.
The fact that Yuuki should use her fangs to receive the blood properly obviously is important …
Kaname: “If it was anything else I would of course wait for you as long as it takes … but this is one thing that can’t go on …”
Kaname: “Why you go on refusing yourself even when the animal inside you is this starved for my blood Yuuki?”
http://www.mangareader.net/104-2178-28/vampire-knight/chapter-50.html
http://www.mangareader.net/104-2178-29/vampire-knight/chapter-50.html
http://www.mangareader.net/104-2178-31/vampire-knight/chapter-50.html
So how can you exclude the possibility that Yuuki should use her fangs to satisfy herself? And just to prevent any further misunderstanding I’m not saying that the satisfaction is the only reason to use her fangs. Obviously she had to do that in order to accept her nature and to grow mentally and physically (in power terms) as a vampire.
Howl4fun wrote: First of all, I think you need to calm down.
but I won’t let any attempt which intentionally or unintentionally twisting my words, unanswered 
Howl4fun wrote: The point of this was Yuuki having to learn to drink like an adult vampire, a.k.a with her fangs, hence Kaname's sentence; "You're no longer a child."
And just to prevent any further misunderstanding I’m not saying that the satisfaction is the only reason to use her fangs. Obviously she had to do that in order to accept her nature and to grow mentally and physically (in power terms) as a vampire.
http://www.mangareader.net/104-2178-28/vampire-knight/chapter-50.html
http://www.mangareader.net/104-2178-29/vampire-knight/chapter-50.html
http://www.mangareader.net/104-2178-31/vampire-knight/chapter-50.html
Howl4fun wrote: Of course, it might be more satisfying for them to drink with fangs
Howl4fun wrote: but it still doesn't add a resolve to the previous mentioned dilemma. If you like to believe it has been resolved that way however, it's fine, we'll see what Yuuki does if or when she gets the opportunity to bite Zero again XD
And of course this isn’t gonna be the resolution of the LT, but as an additional reason of why Yuuki felt partly satisfied it could work.
Of course, it might be more satisfying for them to drink with fangs
The satisfaction part was supported by these pages …
http://www.mangareader.net/104-2064-22/vampire-knight/chapter-4.html
http://www.mangareader.net/104-2066-22/vampire-knight/chapter-5.html
Kara wrote:Shoujo-Zo18 wrote:Makes me think he totally still loves her ;3 He basically wants her to make him her slave xD ( that's how i took it.. hehe but that's just me x3 )
...love slave??
Shoujo-Zo18 wrote:I don't understand why Yuuki doesn't try to talk to him more though... she should act normal aroud him and hope he gives in! Is she afraid that he hates her?? Or afraid that Kaname will find out if she acts the way she used to around him...? She cried and said that she didn't want to be Zero's enemy... If he could have seen her then... I bet he would have taken it all back.
juliet wrote:Kara wrote:Shoujo-Zo18 wrote:Makes me think he totally still loves her ;3 He basically wants her to make him her slave xD ( that's how i took it.. hehe but that's just me x3 )
...love slave??
M..yes, but did you notice that Yuuki kept him in a distance? no need to say that this is not how a girl in love reacts, so that's another reason for saying that the supposed "in love" Yuuki's feelings for Zero (mostly as Zero fans were saying) have decreased. Sorry did not mean to ruin your wishful thinking but I did find it as a good point to state my case.
I'm not actually sure that that is where Hino is heading with the LT. Personally, I think it might end with Yume. But, please Hino, I want Zero to have something to live for. He needs / deserves a bit of happiness after all the trauma and heartbreak he's had already (so young 
). Perhaps he could find a way to move on from Yuuki, whose heart is so attached to Kaname, and find a new love. Someone who can give her whole heart to him But even if he isn't paired with anyone at the end, I want him to have a reason to live / feel content with living his life. Shoujo-Zo18 wrote:I know!! It makes me mad how Zero has become so cold...
Maybe he was just toying with Yuuki because he feels that she toyed with him... Being a pureblood vampire all along when she was his innocent human girl... his childhood friend who he only wanted to protect from the vampires... and she broke his heart into pieces by being one of those beasts herself.
juliet wrote:I get the feeling that the LT is not in the mangakas priorities.
I'm sure that's what Hino is probably focussing on right now, and we're just being left in suspense, but nothing else seems to be happening all that fast 
Apart from Sara following Zero into the woods, I suppose that could leave way for some development there with Zero's thirst problems, but even that storyline is moving quite slowly (and has been around for the entire series, the question of whether or not Zero will fall to level e 
). I think he probably will at some stage (at least temporarily), what with all the build up (and Yuuki still having not used the bracelet). But apart from that, I'm really not sure where Hino is intending to head with the plot right now Any ideas...?? Howl4fun wrote:The plot is moving very slow and inconsistent, not to mention with characters acting a bit weird/OOC, but apparently this is Hino's first really long running serie so she might not be used to it, lol.
I love how zeki's interacting as of recently. If I could use a scene from a serie to tell how, it's about a man who suspects his wife of cheating on him. The conversation between him and another went something like this;
"I know she's cheating on me. I just have to find out with whom. Look at that guy's she talking with. Maybe it's him?"
"No, you idiot. She wouldn't ever talk so carefully with a guy she's cheating with in public. The man she cheats with will be a man she avoids talking to."
I know it's not a direct resemblance, but you get the idea. Obviously their current state can mean different things depending on your viewpoint, but as of now no one can tell for sure what it is.
But apart from that, I'm really not sure where Hino is intending to head with the plot right now Any ideas...?
okay according to viewpoint...it can mean different things, but we do not see them occupied with each other at all, not even in inner thinking. Yuuki's inner thoughts are occupied with the tablets. Even when Maria talks to her about Zero, the name does not make her twist her interest on Maria.
nina wrote:About Yuuki's hunger:
As we know the blood-lust could be triggered from many factors and not only out of love feelings, such as if the vampire is wounded, if is under great stress and sorrow, if it passed much time from the last meal and after the slumber.
1st case: When Yuuki had a blood-lust attack when she was alone at the mansion.
Yuuki was separated from Zero under very rough conditions … he unveiled his romantic feelings for her and the same time declared a ‘’war” saying that from now on they are enemies, meaning that Yuuki had to cut off from her life a very important and beloved person for her (even if the type of her feelings are questionable the fact is that she was hurting). That alone is a very stressful factor to be handled especially for a Yuuki who was trying to adjust and discover her true nature from scratch. Furthermore Zero’s rejection increased and burdened her efforts and I suspect a part of her difficulties or denial to use her fangs and feed properly, were originated from that rejection.
In short … that time she was unbalanced and she didn’t feed properly from Kaname so she couldn’t know if she could be fully satisfied only from his blood.
2nd case: The nostalgic scent.
Now it is apparent that the most significant factor to Yuuki’s blood-lust was her wound no? And on top of that she was semi-unconscious, meaning she was driven by pure instinct for blood, without necessarily excluding her feelings …
And before the Zekis jumps all over me just to remind their claims in another similar situation … When Zero drunk from Kaname all the Zekis claimed that Kaname forced him to do so by hurting him, hence and Zero had no other choice but to drink his blood! Now if the wound factor is so significant that drove Zero to drink the blood from the most hateful person to him I suppose the same applies for Yuuki as well, not to mention that Yuuki never hated Zero … to the contrary she loved him and used to feel very comfortable with him, hence and the nostalgic scent.
3rd case: blood-lust on chapter 72.
IMO Yuuki would feel blood-lust either Zero was around or not!
She is facing again lot of changes in her life … Kaname had left her to pursuit his plans by doing unexpected and questionable acts for Yuuki, all the world around her is against him, she had to take responsibilities and stand on her own feet, she has no source to feed upon and on top of that she is a newbie vampire who had never took tabs but only fresh blood.
In other words she is under a great stress, she is hurting, she misses Kaname and afraid for him and she starving! All these factors are enough to trigger her blood-lust.
If Zero was the object of her blood-lust that would be shown when she first met him, when they cross each other paths at the HA. But no … she didn’t show any sign of blood-lust whereas Zero before even see her he grabs his neck and as his fans claim it was due to the fact that he sensed her presence. Also they intercrossed again when Yuuki knocked down the vampire who escaped from Zero … non sign of thirst again!
My point is that Yuuki started to have thirst fits gradually … her first attack wasn’t so bad so she could handle it without tabs, but as the time flew and more stressful things happened and as the time from her last meal increasing the blood-lust became more urging and eventually she had to consume tabs. That’s why I’m saying that even if there was no Zero she still eventually would have faced her thirst!
Of course Zero’s presence worsens her situation cuz he is hurting her and putting extra burden on her shoulders either with his rough attitude either with his comments.
Bottom line is that Hino carefully chose to add additional factors in every time that Yuuki supposedly felt blood-lust for Zero. Ergo the Yumes can support that there is no romantic cause behind Yuuki’s thirst and Zekis can still dreaming on.
juliet wrote:Howl4fun wrote:The plot is moving very slow and inconsistent, not to mention with characters acting a bit weird/OOC, but apparently this is Hino's first really long running serie so she might not be used to it, lol.
I love how zeki's interacting as of recently. If I could use a scene from a serie to tell how, it's about a man who suspects his wife of cheating on him. The conversation between him and another went something like this;
"I know she's cheating on me. I just have to find out with whom. Look at that guy's she talking with. Maybe it's him?"
"No, you idiot. She wouldn't ever talk so carefully with a guy she's cheating with in public. The man she cheats with will be a man she avoids talking to."
I know it's not a direct resemblance, but you get the idea. Obviously their current state can mean different things depending on your viewpoint, but as of now no one can tell for sure what it is.
well that woman hide it, because she did have a love affair..haha..
okay according to viewpoint...it can mean different things, but we do not see them occupied with each other at all, not even in inner thinking. Yuuki's inner thoughts are occupied with the tablets. Even when Maria talks to her about Zero, the name does not make her twist her interest on Maria.
juliet wrote:But apart from that, I'm really not sure where Hino is intending to head with the plot right now Any ideas...?
Em...hard plot...Sara is targeting Zero. Zero needs a way to soothe his hunger, could it be possible to bite Sara? (how despeate should he get to do that?).
Yuuki's mentioning of the bracelet again can it be an indication that Zero can fall again? I guess because eitherwise it would be no point and no excuse for Yuuki keeping the bracelet or Zero could tell her in that scene that there is no need to keep the bracelet any longer.
Meanwhile the tablet can play a role in there. We see Yuuki taking the tablets. Sara has altered the formula? could it be? what she intends to do with the tablets? I wonder also when this thing with the formula is going to come out since Hino drags the formula thing chapters now.
Lately Hino has turned totally unpredictable, it's good to be unprecictable but the hints that she is giving us is too few to even use our imagination and make a plot. Is Kaname going back to Yuuki? but that's too dangerous. I hope he choses to remain safe and as for Ruka, she was very worried and that's not a good sign.
agree with the level e and the bracelet, several times it was shown in the past in several panels, only now did someone finally noticed it and it was Zero lol! and the Level E issue comes up to the surface again for the 2nd time the unpredictability is a bit annoying too, considering one chapter hardly explains much yet loads up on lotsss of ambiguity.. then the next chapter trashes about 1/2 of this ambiguity and creates more and more theories... i mean, cant a little bit of explanation/clarification hurt, its not even part of the drawing, there won't be anything stressful to put out a few callouts to explain lol
sweetsolace wrote:
LOL at Sara getting bitten, I would love to see her reaction though
the plot pace is sooo slow... but maybe its just the pile of tension thats making me impatient.
rumland wrote:To juliet
About yuki not being occupied by zero at all, I know this is a weak example but this page she is thinking of nothing but him.
- Spoiler:
As for them haveing trouble talking right now it is real ochword for them, they sepirated under bad conditons so she cant realy find the words to talk to him.
Just like is shown in these images.
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Howl4fun wrote:Edit: About the example I mentioned, the point is you'll avoid someone you're being romantic with/having romantic feelings for when you're not supposed/allowed to. Had zeki really have no romantic feelings between them whatsoever, I believe they'd be able to speak a bit more casual with each other, instead they keep interacting as if they're both wearing masks. That's why I said "not a direct resemblence but you get the idea" XD
PSDOL wrote:
i don't think maria is controlled i think its her hio blood doing it lol i always so maria resemble shizuka lot i think she quiet has her character .
:rofl, just kidding but you never know. .the bracelet well yuuki after she left zero she was sure that she would not see him again in her life and that her life will be only kaname , the thing she still wore the bracelet even knowing she will not need it again due she thought she not see him again well i think its means something for her , even when kaien gave to her it was like her important treasure she felt with it she and zero might get close, but she met him many times and due she didn't want him think she has feelings for him after a year she told him for level e purpose . so i say if she was not expecting to meet him again in her life , she wouldn't have needed it being closed in the mansion so why she kept it? for me it means lot
as future plot for the bracelet well if zero gets controlled yuuki can bring him back to her side with the bracelet.
15-Kaname: *almost unreadable part. More or less*: Don’t worry about it.
Maybe the landscape will change a bit, but…
Kain: It’s not just that.
The mansion will also eventually disappear.
Ruka is also worried about this.
Kaname: That won’t happen.
By that time, this mansion will already be…
Don’t worry.
16-By that time, I’ll make Ruka go to a safe place.
Even though she’ll hate me
I’m sure.
Kain: I hope so.
If you don’t
I will certainly kill you
No matter what.
17-So well
Where are we heading next,
Kaname-sama.
well i don't think he must not being regretful if ruka will hate him or not since she is not his love right? but the way his speak its as if..he was a bit taken a back like..aerah08 wrote:i've read the translated part.. and actually i got so mixed-up by kaname's true feelings with ruka..
(Kaname's part)
15-Kaname: *almost unreadable part. More or less*: Don’t worry about it.
Maybe the landscape will change a bit, but…
Kain: It’s not just that.
The mansion will also eventually disappear.
Ruka is also worried about this.
Kaname: That won’t happen.
By that time, this mansion will already be…
Don’t worry.
16-By that time, I’ll make Ruka go to a safe place.
Even though she’ll hate me
I’m sure.
Kain: I hope so.
If you don’t
I will certainly kill you
No matter what.
17-So well
Where are we heading next,
Kaname-sama.
So what now if ruka hates him? honestly is her impression of him really do mind a lot for him?
"By that time, I’ll make Ruka go to a safe place. Even though she’ll hate me
I’m sure. (in his inner thought "Oh Please ruka don't be..") "
why do he needs to emphasize that? he cares if ruka hates him how about yuuki? doesn't he think about if yuuki might be hated him for leaving her so?
aerah08 wrote:well actually i really love kaname and i do feel jealous about ruka.. which is you haven't pointed out clearly.. i thought you gonna say..
"Oh your just a jealous Yume fan.." well ofcourse being a Yume fan i honestly doesn't like ruka to be around with kaname.. that is why i don't want him to care if ruka will hate him or not.. all that he must care about is yuuki's mind-set..
that since if he won't die then what will happen with the story? is he going to end up with yuuki or not? i think personally (no offense kanamexyuuki fans) but i don't think he deserves yuuki after all.. I can't feel yuuki being happy with him..
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