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    Post by Administration Team on Mon May 10, 2010 6:58 pm

    What are your theories about Kaname's ancestor past? Is he running out of guilts about something?
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    Post by juliet on Fri May 14, 2010 11:51 pm

    One theory is that Yuuki is the reincarnation of his past love, that way he is waiting for her to love him as much as the female ancestor really did and perhaps (if Hino decides to pull it even more) to remember him. She died in the past (probably being eaten by the hunters) so he ended up being alone and in despair. Rido's words in the last chapters puzzle me "What are you waiting for in this icy coffin?" he said. "You were waiting for something". Where does that refer to? Another awakening perhaps or Yuuki's birth, as he was in a slumber, can that be possible? Only that Rido does not know it because Rido was not alive back then, so he can't know that he was actually waiting for Yuuki? Does this make sense? ooooh






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    Post by nuitetoile21 on Sat May 15, 2010 12:13 am

    It is one possibility that Yuuki is actually the first woman Kaname had in the past. We saw until now that Kaname himself remembered his past after a while and not at once. If you remember the scene with the sand in which Kaname said that it looks familiar. Also on the titles we see Yuuki standing in the same sand. I don't think this is a ''mistake''. propably Hino gives us hidden clues.
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    Post by Kanaze-Chan on Sat May 15, 2010 5:16 am

    Kaname says he is the 'progenitor' -- which is another fancy word for 'ancestor'. All I can say is that Yuuki may have a small clue as to who Kaname truly is, that he isn't her beloved older brother.
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    Post by Administration Team on Sat May 15, 2010 10:59 am

    Kanaze-Chan wrote:Kaname says he is the 'progenitor' -- which is another fancy word for 'ancestor'. All I can say is that Yuuki may have a small clue as to who Kaname truly is, that he isn't her beloved older brother.

    What do you mean "a small clue?" you've just risen my curiosity...
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    Post by juliet on Sat May 15, 2010 11:24 am

    nuitetoile21 wrote:It is one possibility that Yuuki is actually the first woman Kaname had in the past. We saw until now that Kaname himself remembered his past after a while and not at once. If you remember the scene with the sand in which Kaname said that it looks familiar. Also on the titles we see Yuuki standing in the same sand. I don't think this is a ''mistake''. propably Hino gives us hidden clues.

    Hm, I am going to agree with you, I don't know why but sand (like the image of a man walking at the desert in the latest chapter), it is connected to Kaname's past. So Yuuki playing with the sand must have a secret meaning. But if she is the ancestor where is Zero going to fit in the picture?






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    Post by nuitetoile21 on Sat May 15, 2010 12:19 pm

    [quote="juliet"]
    nuitetoile21 wrote:It is one possibility that Yuuki is actually the first woman Kaname had in the past. We saw until now that Kaname himself remembered his past after a while and not at once. If you remember the scene with the sand in which Kaname said that it looks familiar. Also on the titles we see Yuuki standing in the same sand. I don't think this is a ''mistake''. propably Hino gives us hidden clues.

    Hm, I am going to agree with you, I don't know why but sand (like the image of a man walking at the desert in the latest chapter), it is connected to Kaname's past. So Yuuki playing with the sand must have a secret meaning. But if she is the ancestor where is Zero going to fit in the picture?[/quote]

    who cares about Zero???? sFun_tease2 lol! lol! lol!
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    Post by juliet on Sat May 15, 2010 1:48 pm

    [quote="nuitetoile21"]
    juliet wrote:
    nuitetoile21 wrote:It is one possibility that Yuuki is actually the first woman Kaname had in the past. We saw until now that Kaname himself remembered his past after a while and not at once. If you remember the scene with the sand in which Kaname said that it looks familiar. Also on the titles we see Yuuki standing in the same sand. I don't think this is a ''mistake''. propably Hino gives us hidden clues.

    Hm, I am going to agree with you, I don't know why but sand (like the image of a man walking at the desert in the latest chapter), it is connected to Kaname's past. So Yuuki playing with the sand must have a secret meaning. But if she is the ancestor where is Zero going to fit in the picture?[/quote]

    who cares about Zero???? sFun_tease2 lol! lol! lol!

    LOL, I can not imagine the twist that the story can take if Yuuki is the ancestor... but why is Kaname so secretive about his past? They are living together for a year now and by the way I see them relaxing on the couch, they would have had many conversations among them (he could have told her that he is the progenitor). It was not his fault what happened with Rido.
    It looks like he is trying to cover himself up. Perhaps he thinks that she won't forgive him? Remember at the previous chapters when she was still human and she asked to learn about her past? He went like: "If I tell you, you will hate me or you won't forgive me...", so could be possible that he was reffering to their whole story in overall (both present and past?). Because just saying that about Rido did not make so much sense. Why to hate him? He protected her. On the other hand can this be only his insecure side speaking?
    Really Kaname deep down is far too weak than what he shows, specially when is given love and affection, he is ready to crash into peaces, oh sentimental Kaname... :too much cry:






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    Post by Kanaze-Chan on Sun May 16, 2010 6:15 am

    Admin wrote:
    Kanaze-Chan wrote:Kaname says he is the 'progenitor' -- which is another fancy word for 'ancestor'. All I can say is that Yuuki may have a small clue as to who Kaname truly is, that he isn't her beloved older brother.

    What do you mean "a small clue?" you've just risen my curiosity...

    He says it in one of the chapters -- I can't remember which one -- but he says it and thinks Yuuki can't hear him.. or perhaps that she's known since changing into a vampire that he isn't really her 'Loving, Adoring and Protective Onii-sama' that she knew... That's just me geek
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    Post by juliet on Sun May 16, 2010 10:50 pm

    Kanaze-Chan wrote:
    Admin wrote:
    Kanaze-Chan wrote:Kaname says he is the 'progenitor' -- which is another fancy word for 'ancestor'. All I can say is that Yuuki may have a small clue as to who Kaname truly is, that he isn't her beloved older brother.

    What do you mean "a small clue?" you've just risen my curiosity...

    He says it in one of the chapters -- I can't remember which one -- but he says it and thinks Yuuki can't hear him.. or perhaps that she's known since changing into a vampire that he isn't really her 'Loving, Adoring and Protective Onii-sama' that she knew... That's just me geek

    No I do not think that she know...if she knew she would go like affraid affraid Who are you? Why are you here? I am really wondering how she is going to face the fact that for a year now he is not telling her. Do you think that this may have a bad impact on their relationship?
    M, I guess it depends and on what has been done in the past. But I either good or bad I believe that Yuuki is going to be shocked... :sSig_what:






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    Post by Kanaze-Chan on Sun May 16, 2010 11:31 pm

    juliet wrote:
    Kanaze-Chan wrote:
    Admin wrote:
    Kanaze-Chan wrote:Kaname says he is the 'progenitor' -- which is another fancy word for 'ancestor'. All I can say is that Yuuki may have a small clue as to who Kaname truly is, that he isn't her beloved older brother.

    What do you mean "a small clue?" you've just risen my curiosity...

    He says it in one of the chapters -- I can't remember which one -- but he says it and thinks Yuuki can't hear him.. or perhaps that she's known since changing into a vampire that he isn't really her 'Loving, Adoring and Protective Onii-sama' that she knew... That's just me geek

    No I do not think that she know...if she knew she would go like affraid affraid Who are you? Why are you here? I am really wondering how she is going to face the fact that for a year now he is not telling her. Do you think that this may have a bad impact on their relationship?

    Hrm.. Perhaps. We just have to wait and see, sadly >o>
    M, I guess it depends and on what has been done in the past. But I either good or bad I believe that Yuuki is going to be shocked... :sSig_what:
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    Post by juliet on Fri May 21, 2010 4:32 pm

    Now it's certain that Rido used the baby's blood and flesh? (if I got it right from the summary and comments) in order to awaken the ancestor because he wanted to control the strongest of all. So the theory that said that Rido was not interested in turning Kaname into a baby but interested in controlling the ancestor in his original form seems far more possible.
    So how did he turned into a baby? sSig_busted I am stucked here. I was been wondering if it was possible since the ancestors body was so destroy and he possesed a lot of powers to change himself into a baby taking a new place in this world? Do you think that's possible? For the time being I can not think of another theory.






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    Post by Hauru on Sun Nov 21, 2010 4:48 pm

    juliet wrote:Now it's certain that Rido used the baby's blood and flesh? (if I got it right from the summary and comments) in order to awaken the ancestor because he wanted to control the strongest of all. So the theory that said that Rido was not interested in turning Kaname into a baby but interested in controlling the ancestor in his original form seems far more possible.
    So how did he turned into a baby? sSig_busted I am stucked here. I was been wondering if it was possible since the ancestors body was so destroy and he possesed a lot of powers to change himself into a baby taking a new place in this world? Do you think that's possible? For the time being I can not think of another theory.

    I think your theory is correct, juliet-san.
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    Post by juliet on Sun Nov 21, 2010 4:52 pm

    Now we saw it coming in canon so we can not doubt that Kaname did turn himself into a baby since his body was too destroyed and he meant not to harm others, Very Happy good kaname!! Now the only question here left to be answered is how the Kuran dynasty evolved since we saw Kaname going into slumber. Do you believe that there are parts of the story that Hino left out?

    Was he the King of the Vampires? OR no?

    At first I believed he was, now I am not that sure about it. He seems to have gone in slumber before the Kurans became Kings (since there is no mention about the crown and the monarchy). Have you heard any interesting theories about that? Or any clues from the fanbook?






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    Post by juliet on Wed Feb 09, 2011 12:15 am

    We had an interesting discussion in Greek but I want to sum it up here and add a few points because it was interesting..thank you libra for suggesting this, you inspired me LOL...

    Here is the scene where the ancestor dies in the furnace surrounded by the hunters. Kaname's clothes are black...
    http://manga.animea.net/vampire-knight-chapter-64-page-12.html

    Chapter 52, Yuuki drinks from Kaname and Kaname remembers his past...



    WE know that its his ancestor time due the clothes but certainly is not the time when the ancestor dies.
    We've never seen before the Kuran mansion, yet we see it now with the Kuran crest at the door...this leads me to assume that these scene here can be years after the death of the ancestor, the walls around him have fallen, probably shattered by Kaname's agony, he is grieving someone.

    So to whom does these crystals belong to? And what's the importancy of the mirror?

    A mirror it appears again in chapter 64 in the middle of nowhere when kaname is able to see...Yuuki. Yuuki steps on him cracking him... (take notice that in Kaname's flashback, chapter 52 the mirror is also shattered).

    What is again the importancy of the mirror in the middle of nowhere?



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    why do we see Yuuki's -Kaname's reflection in the mirror instead of seeing them? Yuuki's extended hand points to the mirror which has a cracked corner.

    Any ideas or theories about mirrors and ancestors? Why is Hino giving us these kind of hints?






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    Post by ShiroiYuki911 on Wed Feb 09, 2011 2:10 am

    juliet wrote:We had an interesting discussion in Greek but I want to sum it up here and add a few points because it was interesting..thank you libra for suggesting this, you inspired me LOL...

    Here is the scene where the ancestor dies in the furnace surrounded by the hunters. Kaname's clothes are black...
    http://manga.animea.net/vampire-knight-chapter-64-page-12.html

    Chapter 52, Yuuki drinks from Kaname and Kaname remembers his past...



    WE know that its his ancestor time due the clothes but certainly is not the time when the ancestor dies.
    We've never seen before the Kuran mansion, yet we see it now with the Kuran crest at the door...this leads me to assume that these scene here can be years after the death of the ancestor, the walls around him have fallen, probably shattered by Kaname's agony, he is grieving someone.

    So to whom does these crystals belong to? And what's the importancy of the mirror?

    A mirror it appears again in chapter 64 in the middle of nowhere when kaname is able to see...Yuuki. Yuuki steps on him cracking him... (take notice that in Kaname's flashback, chapter 52 the mirror is also shattered).

    What is again the importancy of the mirror in the middle of nowhere?



    And finally



    why do we see Yuuki's -Kaname's reflection in the mirror instead of seeing them? Yuuki's extended hand points to the mirror which has a cracked corner.

    Any ideas or theories about mirrors and ancestors? Why is Hino giving us these kind of hints?

    Good thinking... the relevance of the mirror... I'm not entirely sure...I'm not very good at analysing these sort of things...
    On a random note, though... doesn't the ancestor remind you a little of Zero? This is probably just me being weird as per usual, but I just thought that here:


    http://www.mangareader.net/104-57201-11/vampire-knight/chapter-64.html

    Don't you think that, if you cut of the hair, and such and such, that she'd look a lot like Zero? Correct me if I'm wrong...and I probably am but...yeah.
    This is probably just me being a little crazy again...I'm going to shut up now... sorry.
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    Post by ChuCookie on Wed Feb 09, 2011 2:17 am

    **Taking Love Ice's idea of Kaname and Yuuki, So don't blame me, but blame ice for her crazy brain **
    Ice said that can it be that-- Kaname's wife that time is the right now Yuuki. The mirrow is a Gate to the past, that Yuuki can enter with the key Kaname give her.. the mirrow is at the H.A. So Yuuki will entering the mirrow and return to Kaname in the past to know more.

    Kaname falls in love with her, they make a family, and then Yuuki realise that she has to go back to the now Kaname, who has been waiting for her for all this time.

    Yuuki goes back to her time, and somehow the mirrow is smashed left the past Kaname al in agrony after he finally realise Yuuki is the only one for him.

    Kaname when to a LOOONG slumber to wait for Yuuki to be born, so that he again can spend his time together with her.

    So Yuuki returns to her time and understand Kaname's sorrow much better. . .. ...The ending Ice said if it goes like what i think, then it will be a Yume ending, ore we will have some dead pureblood bodys ... She also adds that it's really sad if Kaname is going to die, but don't think he will, and she will be greatful if Hino don't kill off Takuma Shocked If you want to know more ask Ice, I only put down what I remember she said it can turn out to be about Kaname's past life

    (REally Ice only has Takuma in her head, and even dear to say that Kaname and Takuma is 1st in her heart, surely if you know her, it's Takuma 1 then Kaname 2 DUM GIRL! :sFun_Nahnahnab Hopes she don't sees this psot hehe) :lol:
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    Post by juliet on Wed Feb 09, 2011 9:18 pm

    ShiroiYuki911 wrote:
    Don't you think that, if you cut of the hair, and such and such, that she'd look a lot like Zero? Correct me if I'm wrong...and I probably am but...yeah.
    This is probably just me being a little crazy again...I'm going to shut up now... sorry.

    WShe does but all the characters of Hino and kaname also if you change the hair style...are sort of the same, (well most manga this happens)...

    @ Choo, now that you mention of the key, Kaname=door, that's one of what his name means in japanese. And also if you remember the chapters where Yuuki learns the truth for Kaname and the ancestor "Beyond the Doors" titles...strong references there.

    Also Yuuki wakes up from the travel in Kaname's past saying "the doors are closing"

    Can the key point at some part of their common past? Another door of memory is about to open? Sounds strange but Hino is very good playing with her words and signs and I just can't stop my imagination...but since she confuse us all the time perhaps this key is something quite practical. I have to say that mystery excites my appetite for more VK..






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    Post by neosolaris12 on Thu Feb 10, 2011 6:24 pm

    I think above all else, the scenes with the broken mirror fascinate me the most, because it is one thing that has yet to be explained of Kaname's past. I want to agree with the other theorists that Yuuki may be the reborn ancestor woman, but somehow I feel that that is too, I don't know, obvious. If it were such, the story would be over. I feel that Hino is hiding something else that she's refusing to reveal to the public.

    Now back to the mirror. The concept of the mirror in Japanese mythology is that it represents "truth". So there must be a "truth" that we or Kaname can't access because the mirror is broken? Mirrors can also represent power and wisdom, as well as a link from the conscious to the unconscious world. Funny, I was just reading the manga DN-Angel, and I was on the chapter when the mirror rocks the protagonist into a "false" or desirable world. I don't know if in VK, the mirror is just another symbolic tool to show Kaname's need to see his "true" self or find the truth in something (Rido did mention he had a mind full of contradictions) or it's an actual tool that hid something from him. Maybe this is all his inner struggle. Who knows? But I really hope we get more of these awesome symbols! I love the mirror concept, great work Hino-san! Very Happy
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    Post by juliet on Fri Feb 11, 2011 10:22 pm

    neosolaris12 wrote:I think above all else, the scenes with the broken mirror fascinate me the most, because it is one thing that has yet to be explained of Kaname's past.

    Now back to the mirror. The concept of the mirror in Japanese mythology is that it represents "truth". So there must be a "truth" that we or Kaname can't access because the mirror is broken? Mirrors can also represent power and wisdom, as well as a link from the conscious to the unconscious world.

    Oh that so much fascinates me? the truth? Look again in the picture with the mirron where both of them are...the strange is that Yuuki's finger the one that is infront of the mirror is stretched guiding us in looking into the image of the mirror-in the mirror though the same finger is not stretched. Could be a mistake or a guidance, ah so much fantasy that my mind can not take. Its so much of a fascinating story line, everything in VK seems unpredictable and unexpected.

    I want to agree with the other theorists that Yuuki may be the reborn ancestor woman, but somehow I feel that that is too, I don't know, obvious. If it were such, the story would be over. I feel that Hino is hiding something else that she's refusing to reveal to the public.

    LOl, you are right about being too obvious but I was thinking that when it was mostly expected it was when Kaname start revealing his past. Many readers up then (and me also I have to confess) where expecting that the ancestor might be revealed to be Yuuki. Then the ancestor that came had nothing to do with Yuuki (totally the opposite) and Hino surprised us and we lost all the clues (shoes, hair, dresses)...she had confused us enough with all these.
    But now if she makes the revelation of Yuuki is not expected due to the ancestor's appearance.
    Still Hino has left spaces and gaps in the story (how did Kurans became Kings? was Kaname the one who made the Kuran dynasty? because as Hino pictures Kaname now your theory about the crazy scientist sounds the only reasonable explanation) and so on that also permits us to make theories about it while others have completely forgot it.






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    Post by Akaruisama on Fri Feb 11, 2011 10:35 pm

    You are amazed me! I don't read the forum for 3 days and there are so much fascinating theories that I'm sFun_hailbig :sSig_what: sFun_crazybat
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    Post by neosolaris12 on Sat Feb 12, 2011 2:58 am

    juliet wrote:
    neosolaris12 wrote:I think above all else, the scenes with the broken mirror fascinate me the most, because it is one thing that has yet to be explained of Kaname's past.

    Now back to the mirror. The concept of the mirror in Japanese mythology is that it represents "truth". So there must be a "truth" that we or Kaname can't access because the mirror is broken? Mirrors can also represent power and wisdom, as well as a link from the conscious to the unconscious world.

    Oh that so much fascinates me? the truth? Look again in the picture with the mirron where both of them are...the strange is that Yuuki's finger the one that is infront of the mirror is stretched guiding us in looking into the image of the mirror-in the mirror though the same finger is not stretched. Could be a mistake or a guidance, ah so much fantasy that my mind can not take. Its so much of a fascinating story line, everything in VK seems unpredictable and unexpected.

    I want to agree with the other theorists that Yuuki may be the reborn ancestor woman, but somehow I feel that that is too, I don't know, obvious. If it were such, the story would be over. I feel that Hino is hiding something else that she's refusing to reveal to the public.

    LOl, you are right about being too obvious but I was thinking that when it was mostly expected it was when Kaname start revealing his past. Many readers up then (and me also I have to confess) where expecting that the ancestor might be revealed to be Yuuki. Then the ancestor that came had nothing to do with Yuuki (totally the opposite) and Hino surprised us and we lost all the clues (shoes, hair, dresses)...she had confused us enough with all these.
    But now if she makes the revelation of Yuuki is not expected due to the ancestor's appearance.
    Still Hino has left spaces and gaps in the story (how did Kurans became Kings? was Kaname the one who made the Kuran dynasty? because as Hino pictures Kaname now your theory about the crazy scientist sounds the only reasonable explanation) and so on that also permits us to make theories about it while others have completely forgot it.

    Hmmm, the colored image DOES look like Yuuki is pointing at the mirror. And why not show the real them but their images in the mirror IS a mystery. There alot of white stuff in this picture: white drapey things on the top right and those gloves. Not that they signify anything, I just wanted to add them to my list of considerations just in case. Also she is chained, similar to those "contradictory" pictures that arose when Rido told Kaname whether he wanted to trap Yuuki forever or let her go. Are we seeing Kaname's desire through the mirror, perhaps a part of his unconscious self wants to keep Yuuki? (mirrors do signify that). And why the side is cracked...mmm, maybe like Rido said, there are still contradictions to this desire. Hmm peculiar, very peculiar. I'm going to need more clues than this if I'm going to go into my scientist mode :suspect: :suspect:

    As for the "obvious" part, yeahhh I felt the same way too when Kaname showed Yuuki his past. I got warped into the possibility that she's the reborn ancestor, and like always, Hino decided to cloud that again by making the ancestor woman look completely different. Sure maybe Hino is just discouraging us now until later when she reveals that Yuuki IS the ancestor, but I dunno, for what purpose does Kaname have revealing Yuuki to her ancestral self? It's not like she hates him and the only way to make her realize their lost love is by revealing her true self. Sure he was testing her loyalty and she proved it. If Yuuki found out that she was the ancestor, she would still be loyal, and the story would kinda not have a continuation. See where I'm getting at? I feel like there's something more...something lost that must be found. Kaname, I don't think, would have left her to continue his "original plan" if there wasn't something extra to be dealt with. Unless he wants to do something BEFORE he tells Yuuki that SURPRISE SURPRISE, she's the ancestor lady! And what that "something" is, whether its a way to defeat Sara or recover something from his past that will help defeat Sara, is what I'm most interested at the moment.

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    Re: The ancestor theories

    Post by juliet on Mon Feb 14, 2011 6:38 pm


    Also she is chained, similar to those "contradictory" pictures that arose when Rido told Kaname whether he wanted to trap Yuuki forever or let her go. Are we seeing Kaname's desire through the mirror, perhaps a part of his unconscious self wants to keep Yuuki? (mirrors do signify that).

    Yes you could be right that the image signifies Kaname's interior thoughts with the chains and the need to posses Yuuki...they are like bride and groom in that reflection.

    And why the side is cracked...mmm, maybe like Rido said, there are still contradictions to this desire. Hmm peculiar, very peculiar. I'm going to need more clues than this if I'm going to go into my scientist mode :suspect: :suspect:

    Am, as much ridiculous as it sounds it is cracked because look the scan above Yuuki actually stepped on the mirror while being in Kaname's memories and cracked it?

    LOL, perhaps that's why Kaname has asked her to wear delicate shoes before...haha..

    And what that "something" is, whether its a way to defeat Sara or recover something from his past that will help defeat Sara, is what I'm most interested at the moment.


    Sure there is so much mystery in VK...after all there is an era full of mist here that Hino skips, that something that led Kaname to sleep. Still it should be interesting to know if he ever did become the King or no and how the Kurans evolved.






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    Post by juliet on Mon Feb 14, 2011 7:14 pm

    Akaruisama wrote:You are amazed me! I don't read the forum for 3 days and there are so much fascinating theories that I'm sFun_hailbig :sSig_what: sFun_crazybat
    yes yes lol we are progressing here...LOL






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    Re: The ancestor theories

    Post by mariangie on Thu Feb 17, 2011 8:46 am

    I think Kaname was first Vampire King for a long while . Because he was most probably the grandfather Vampire King Juuri was talking during the bonus story about the umbrella incident .

    But , yes , there are a lot of Kaname's past we had no idea yet . Things as simple which was the hooded female pureblood name . The composition of Kuran's generational tree . Or complicated as which are Kaname's original plans .

    I think the reason of keeping so many misteries yet is because of the story not wanting to reveal yet who was Kaname's wife and Queen in the past ( not the hooded female pureblood lady ). The one which was the mother of Yuuki's grandparents . The woman I believe died prior to the scene Kaname was shown to be grieving over a broken mirror at the Kuran's manor . The reason of Kaname's despair . The reason of he wanting vengance . The reason of his slumber . The Vampire Queen , which during the story was never shown , nor mentioned .

    Yuuki traveling to the past . Knowing Kaname there . Becoming her mate in the past . And her being her own ancestress could be a possibility . The complicated thing here is when did Yuuki traveled to the past . She became Kaname's wife and Queen . Had kids with him . Then somehow , she died there . Then Kaname waited in a slumber . Hoping to met her again when she was born . In the present , they found them again . But Yuuki didn't know their past . How Kaname could avoid losing Yuuki for second time ? How the story could end ? This could make some time loops difficult to explain . Also this excludes Zero as Yuuki's possible lover . Because she always was Kaname's . The other thing is Kaname hiding his plans due to being related to Yuuki's past .

    Another possibility I consider is Kaname's wife and Queen from the past was his own daugther . Maybe he and the hooded pureblood vampire lady had a baby girl prior to her sacrificing to create the weapons and hunters . Maybe a woman who looks like Yuuki , but with gray eyes ( as a picture I saw somewhere , but I can't remember where ) . I can't get out from my head what was the original reason for the Kuran's to practice incest . I imagine Kaname was the first to do so . If Kaname's wife from the past was his daugther , she was the one to die prior his despair scene . But Kaname meting Yuuki during his past had to happen . The question here is when they met . If was before or after Kaname's wife death .

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