The ancestor theories

nina wrote:

Duskola wrote: The only thing that I would find strange is that - from what I've read until now - it seems to me she's somewhat "logical" in what she writes, that is, if reincarnation would be possible in her "world", then she would have showed us something like that, instead of reviving pure blood raising from their coffins. BUT obviously, with Hino you can't know until the very end, so maybe she kept the biggest power of PB secret so that she could make us all a BIG SURPRISE in the end!

Ah I have thought about that too, and you are right on this observation. But even IF Hino would use the reincarnation “trick” or something similar to that (since it is supernatural you never know what mechanism she can think of lol) that doesn’t necessarily means that it is a power or a procedure that ALL PBs can perform, neither Hino is obligated to show that this can happen regularly.

Where she can base on? >>

1. That not ALL PBs have the same powers … their abilities varied. For example Shizuka could “manipulate” plants … we saw that she was standing beside a blooming sakura in the middle of winter when she attack at the Kiryuus, but this power was unique… we didn’t see any other PB to do the same. Either way I think it was Aidou who had said very early in the story that only the PBs themselves know their powers hence their abilities differ.

2. The PBs’ progenitors (like Kaname, HW and ALL the first breed of PBs who appeared 10000 ago) had superior powers than PBs of second, third generation etc. Now we know that only Kaname has left from the progenitors and no one else thus and he is the most powerful being.
BUT IF Kaname had a wife in the past that woman it is very possible to have been a progenitor herself i.e. that she possessed superior abilities as well … powers that the current PBs do not have. So even in the extreme scenario that the soul of his past wife could return taking Yuuki’s body that doesn’t mean that the same could happen with the rest of the PBs who have died.

Because as also you pointed out >>

I have to say - again - that I thought the same thing to solve my "reincarnation matter", that Jurika really decide to "make new life", but that for PB "making new life" means "reviving in new bodies" the souls of the ancestors. PB's reproduction rules may really be different from human's ones. From this perspective, Kaname jr's death is terrible... but definitely his soul will revive when the right moment comes?

I agree … if they could do it then they could bring back and the baby Kaname. Here can only play the excuse that the soul of the past wife was a progenitor hence there was a way to do it. But it’s not obligatory that Juuri and Haruka knew who would bring into life either way… it could be the soul who did it… why? Because Kaname was awakened… >> soulmates that were seeking to reunite <3

There is another clue that could support that this procedure isn’t something that can happen “easily” or that never happened before and that IF it happened is something unique that even Kaname didn’t know how it could happen… >>

1. If to bring back in life a dead PB was something that all the PBs could do then I think Kaname with his superior powers would have done it IF he had lost his wife tragically in the past.

2. His talk with Rido at the mausoleum … Rido there rhetorically asking Kaname “what he was waiting in that coffin?” … Kaname denies that he was waiting something but it is apparent that Rido was right on this … he indeed was waiting something even if that hope was tiny and with no guarantee that would come true yet he chose the slumber over an instant death.
So, what IF Kaname was waiting for his past wife to “return”; basing his little hope only on a premonition of a young vampire girl from the future???
If so then it proves that EVEN in the case that Yuuki is the reincarnation of his past wife he didn’t know for sure that this could happen hence neither HOW this could happen, making this event unique >.<

And here’s my fairytale triggered of the fated love that Hino often uses ^^

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Oh, well, I'll go to the topics you linked to have further infos, thank you!!!!! ;)

You are welcome and if you have time and the appetite you can read Juliet’s fic … it is a great mature story fu fu fu (~_^) (you would fallen in love with Kaname even more!!! If that’s possible hahaha) and it’s based on the reincarnation theory.

nina wrote:Ah I have thought about that too, and you are right on this observation. But even IF Hino would use the reincarnation “trick” or something similar to that (since it is supernatural you never know what mechanism she can think of lol) that doesn’t necessarily means that it is a power or a procedure that ALL PBs can perform, neither Hino is obligated to show that this can happen regularly.

Where she can base on? >>

1. That not ALL PBs have the same powers … their abilities varied. For example Shizuka could “manipulate” plants … we saw that she was standing beside a blooming sakura in the middle of winter when she attack at the Kiryuus, but this power was unique… we didn’t see any other PB to do the same. Either way I think it was Aidou who had said very early in the story that only the PBs themselves know their powers hence their abilities differ.

2. The PBs’ progenitors (like Kaname, HW and ALL the first breed of PBs who appeared 10000 ago) had superior powers than PBs of second, third generation etc. Now we know that only Kaname has left from the progenitors and no one else thus and he is the most powerful being.
BUT IF Kaname had a wife in the past that woman it is very possible to have been a progenitor herself i.e. that she possessed superior abilities as well … powers that the current PBs do not have. So even in the extreme scenario that the soul of his past wife could return taking Yuuki’s body that doesn’t mean that the same could happen with the rest of the PBs who have died.

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Administration Team wrote:What are your theories about Kaname's ancestor past? Is he running out of guilts about something?

Shoujo-Zo18 wrote:

Administration Team wrote:What are your theories about Kaname's ancestor past? Is he running out of guilts about something?

Hmm... My theories about Kaname the ancestors past? I think,and this is just my humble opinion.... that he and the Ancesstress ( or "Hooded Woman" if you will... ) were lovers, and that he has been guilty of letting her die in his place for all of these 10,000 years and that is why he has been doing everything he has been doing.... for her, not for Yuuki. Yuuki was just a distraction... ^^

juliet wrote:

Shoujo-Zo18 wrote:

Administration Team wrote:What are your theories about Kaname's ancestor past? Is he running out of guilts about something?

Hmm... My theories about Kaname the ancestors past? I think,and this is just my humble opinion.... that he and the Ancesstress ( or "Hooded Woman" if you will... ) were lovers, and that he has been guilty of letting her die in his place for all of these 10,000 years and that is why he has been doing everything he has been doing.... for her, not for Yuuki. Yuuki was just a distraction... ^^

Just guilts for the ancestor? then why didn't he replaced her long ago? I mean that does not actually blend all the way with his behaviour. I think that he felt guilts in the first place but then she had assigned to him a role and that role became important.

I do not know though if her awakening was accidental or part of his plan> this would change the view of Kaname's actions entirely, if it was accidental then simply his plan messed up and had to take the responsibility and replace her, if he had planned it then it was in order to be the metal > a more subtle way to kill all purebloods as he said to Yuuki.

He also told her that Rido's attack that night at the Kuran mansion started it all > if i remember correctly > so that means that he had decided to make a safer world for her and kill all purebloods that night (see and the promise that he gave to her that night while holding her at his arms). I do not know why you guys neglect all of these issues and just put the weight on the ancestor. In order to draw a conclusion you have to bring all pieces together (scattered here and there) and blend them all to get a whole picture.

So if solely doing it for the ancestor then what about these pages above - Yuuki's words that she is the root- his promise to her and bla bla,,,bla,, ?

Shoujo-Zo18 wrote:

juliet wrote:

Shoujo-Zo18 wrote:

Administration Team wrote:What are your theories about Kaname's ancestor past? Is he running out of guilts about something?

Hmm... My theories about Kaname the ancestors past? I think,and this is just my humble opinion.... that he and the Ancesstress ( or "Hooded Woman" if you will... ) were lovers, and that he has been guilty of letting her die in his place for all of these 10,000 years and that is why he has been doing everything he has been doing.... for her, not for Yuuki. Yuuki was just a distraction... ^^

Just guilts for the ancestor? then why didn't he replaced her long ago? I mean that does not actually blend all the way with his behaviour. I think that he felt guilts in the first place but then she had assigned to him a role and that role became important.

I do not know though if her awakening was accidental or part of his plan> this would change the view of Kaname's actions entirely, if it was accidental then simply his plan messed up and had to take the responsibility and replace her, if he had planned it then it was in order to be the metal > a more subtle way to kill all purebloods as he said to Yuuki.

He also told her that Rido's attack that night at the Kuran mansion started it all > if i remember correctly > so that means that he had decided to make a safer world for her and kill all purebloods that night (see and the promise that he gave to her that night while holding her at his arms). I do not know why you guys neglect all of these issues and just put the weight on the ancestor. In order to draw a conclusion you have to bring all pieces together (scattered here and there) and blend them all to get a whole picture.

So if solely doing it for the ancestor then what about these pages above - Yuuki's words that she is the root- his promise to her and bla bla,,,bla,, ?

So why did Kaname say, "Killing purebloods is her will." Referring to the Ancestress? That is what made me think that everything was not only for Yuuki, but that Kaname had been following a lifelong goal, to fulfill her goal as well. I say that Yuuki was a distraction, because Kaname obviously didn't want to go through that pain again and so he put his all into protecting her, because of the fresh memory in his mind of what had happened to the Ancestress. (His methods of "protecting" aren't what I'd prefer, but that's Kaname ^^;) His "master plan" to protect Yuuki may have begun with Rido, but I think that Kaname re-realized his "Original Plan" when he saw that the world still wasn't safe even after Rido. He needed to rid the world of purebloods as he had originally intended to, and had found a solutiong to by working with the Ancestress to figure out formulas on how vampires could be killed.... "he" was the one who had wanted to become the original metal, but she took his place... Well, he couldn't currently take her place, so he needed to do what he could and kill purebloods by hand, and then when the time was right, by relieving the Ancestress of her position, he planned to "succeed her".




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