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      Is Rido the same as Kaname?

      Post by lililovelilica on Mon Jan 02, 2012 1:33 am

      I've discovered that Rido is(in someway)have the same feelings as Kaname towards his love,he has the same desires(to devour her juuri)
      same that Kaname has with Yuuki
      he dreamed that he devoured all of Yuuki and all that's left is her blood in the floor.
      and when he felt lonely at this page it looked the same as Rido's words...(somehow) confused

      but Yuuki's feelings is for sure that(she REALLY LOVES KANAME)

      AND in a way Kaname's saying in this page maybe includes him
      and he really considers Yuuki's feelings as well:
      [img][/img]



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      to prove what i'm saying:look at what kaname says after some part of Rido goes to his body
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      Re: Is Rido the same as Kaname?

      Post by Akaruisama on Mon Jan 02, 2012 1:49 am

      lililovelilica wrote:I've discovered that Rido is(in someway)have the same feelings as Kaname towards his love,he has the same desires(to devour her juuri)
      same that Kaname has with Yuuki
      he dreamed that he devoured all of Yuuki and all that's left is her blood in the floor.
      and when he felt lonely at this page it looked the same as Rido's words...(somehow) confused

      but Yuuki's feelings is for sure that(she REALLY LOVES KANAME)

      AND in a way Kaname's saying in this page maybe includes him
      and he really considers Yuuki's feelings as well:
      [img][/img]



      [img][/img]
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      [img][/img]



      The same as who? Rido? affraid No, I have a bad dream Shocked

      Seriously, I think there is connection beetween Rido and Kaname. They are both pureblood who have suffered a lot.
      Rido loved Yuuri, but she had choosen Haruka so it had driven him to being insane. He had no chance to live happily with beloved person anymore. In addition he must suffering a hunger of his loved one's blood. When I come to think about that I'm very sorru for him.

      Kaname was in similar situation although the end wasn't the same. Kaname was noble and stronger than Rido. He had suffered after Hooded Women's death, despite of that fact, he remained the same he was ealier.

      There is many similarities beetween the fate of all pureblood presented in VK since now. They all are powerful and strong but they all have to go through so much pain to the end.
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      Re: Is Rido the same as Kaname?

      Post by lililovelilica on Mon Jan 02, 2012 2:05 am

      yeah you're right Akaruisama
      Kaname's loved by Yuuki
      like in this image
      [img][/img]
      and she said she wanted all his blood and to put her fands in his neck
      http://www.mangafox.com/manga/vampire_knight/v11/c051/19.html
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      Re: Is Rido the same as Kaname?

      Post by lililovelilica on Mon Jan 02, 2012 2:23 am

      I have another proof as well,in chapter 60
      http://www.mangafox.com/manga/vampire_knight/v12/c060/2.html
      http://www.mangafox.com/manga/vampire_knight/v12/c060/2.html
      http://www.mangafox.com/manga/vampire_knight/v12/c060/3.html
      http://www.mangafox.com/manga/vampire_knight/v12/c060/4.html
      http://www.mangafox.com/manga/vampire_knight/v12/c060/5.html
      http://www.mangafox.com/manga/vampire_knight/v12/c060/6.html
      http://www.mangafox.com/manga/vampire_knight/v12/c060/7.html
      Kaname says that Rido is really a "GREAT MIRROR"
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      Re: Is Rido the same as Kaname?

      Post by Maria Kuran on Mon Jan 02, 2012 2:45 am

      Well I think that says as Kaname, Rido is like the reincarnation of the bad part of it. So there may be a psychological parica between Rido and Kaname ... I'm saying then is that the bad part of Kaname (rido's face) would be enhanced if he lost Yuki!Of course!!! Great Topic!!!! lol!
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      Re: Is Rido the same as Kaname?

      Post by nina on Mon Jan 02, 2012 2:40 pm

      Is Rido the same as Kaname?
      affraid affraid affraid


      Akaruisama wrote: The same as who? Rido? affraid No, I have a bad dream Shocked

      Same here!
      Kaname hasn’t none similarity with Rido except being PBs.

      The fact that both of them yearn the blood of their beloved one to such extent is a trait that all vampires have … the same desire expresses Yuuki for Kaname and Zero for Yuuki as well. So how this trait makes Kaname the same like Rido?

      Furthermore what it counts and what diversify them is the way they control or tame the savage part of their nature … the Kurans except from Rido are more human like rather than PB like. Rido’s lust for Juuri drove him to do so many atrocities!
      Kaname on the other hand isolated himself and refused to get attached with anyone in order to avoid using his fangs! Later he chose slumber and when Rido awakened him in that incomplete state he chose to reduce himself into a baby’s body in order to not let his nature taking control over him and kill his own family.

      Under that light what similarity has Kaname with Rido?
      For god’s sake … Rido has massacred a newborn! The first baby of his brother and sister and came back to do the same with Yuuki!

      We have to examine more deeply what Kaname says and why he “compare” himself with Rido.

      I’ll bring only one example to make clearer of what I’m trying to convey here …
      After Kaname had shown to Yuuki how her real brother lost his life what she said to Yuuki? >>
      Kaname: “Are you still thinking that I’m your brother? I’m also the same as the one who took your brother’s life away.”

      Does Kaname bear any responsibility for what Rido did to that baby? I do not have to answer this question cuz Haruka and Juuri have already answered it with their love towards Kaname. Would they have been loved and accepted Kaname like their own child if Kaname was like Rido? Would they have left Yuuki into Kaname’s hands if Kaname had even the slightest similarity with Rido?
      But this is Kaname … feels responsible for all the evilness in vampires’ nature and takes upon his shoulders the burden of their savage world. Kaname has consciousness while Rido doesn’t know what this word means.

      Rido represents inside him the beast that every vampire has … even Yuuki has this part. We saw it when her hunger drove her to think Yori –her best human friend- as food or when she desires to devour Kaname's blood, to the very limit of his life ... to taste his feelings that flowing in his blood to its fullest. Does this make Yuuki the same as Rido?

      Anyway I understood what you are trying to say but even the love that Rido had for Juri is so different from Kaname’s love for Yuuki.
      Kaname puts over his desires Yuuki’s happiness, something that Rido failed terribly to do for Juri. Thus it is like we’re comparing the night with the day here.
      I disagree totally.





      "... I want to fall down with you to the very farthest depths ... taint me too Kaname"



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      *wants to sneak under these bed sheets*
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      Re: Is Rido the same as Kaname?

      Post by juliet on Mon Jan 02, 2012 3:25 pm

      The fact that both of them yearn the blood of their beloved one to such extent is a trait that all vampires have … the same desire expresses Yuuki for Kaname and Zero for Yuuki as well. So how this trait makes Kaname the same like Rido?

      I agree...Yuuki expresses the same desire about devouring Kaname



      "but the vampire inside me does not care....this desire is so pure it can not be hidden", I loved that phrase as it betrays all the depth that vampires feel when totally in love with their mate>

      this also betrays Yuuki's feelings in comparison to her feelings with Zero; she never stated such an intensity, undoubtedly a vampire in love can not hold back his desire to devour the whole of the other> like two becoming one in a vampirish way, nice thread as it opens the way for a better understanding about vampirish desire and the examples are many.

      is Yuuki the same as Rido> haha it could also be used as an alternative title here






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      Re: Is Rido the same as Kaname?

      Post by lililovelilica on Mon Jan 02, 2012 7:09 pm

      nina wrote:
      Is Rido the same as Kaname?
      affraid affraid affraid


      Akaruisama wrote: The same as who? Rido? affraid No, I have a bad dream Shocked

      Same here!
      Kaname hasn’t none similarity with Rido except being PBs.

      The fact that both of them yearn the blood of their beloved one to such extent is a trait that all vampires have … the same desire expresses Yuuki for Kaname and Zero for Yuuki as well. So how this trait makes Kaname the same like Rido?

      Furthermore what it counts and what diversify them is the way they control or tame the savage part of their nature … the Kurans except from Rido are more human like rather than PB like. Rido’s lust for Juuri drove him to do so many atrocities!
      Kaname on the other hand isolated himself and refused to get attached with anyone in order to avoid using his fangs! Later he chose slumber and when Rido awakened him in that incomplete state he chose to reduce himself into a baby’s body in order to not let his nature taking control over him and kill his own family.

      Under that light what similarity has Kaname with Rido?
      For god’s sake … Rido has massacred a newborn! The first baby of his brother and sister and came back to do the same with Yuuki!

      We have to examine more deeply what Kaname says and why he “compare” himself with Rido.

      I’ll bring only one example to make clearer of what I’m trying to convey here …
      After Kaname had shown to Yuuki how her real brother lost his life what she said to Yuuki? >>
      Kaname: “Are you still thinking that I’m your brother? I’m also the same as the one who took your brother’s life away.”

      Does Kaname bear any responsibility for what Rido did to that baby? I do not have to answer this question cuz Haruka and Juuri have already answered it with their love towards Kaname. Would they have been loved and accepted Kaname like their own child if Kaname was like Rido? Would they have left Yuuki into Kaname’s hands if Kaname had even the slightest similarity with Rido?
      But this is Kaname … feels responsible for all the evilness in vampires’ nature and takes upon his shoulders the burden of their savage world. Kaname has consciousness while Rido doesn’t know what this word means.

      Rido represents inside him the beast that every vampire has … even Yuuki has this part. We saw it when her hunger drove her to think Yori –her best human friend- as food or when she desires to devour Kaname's blood, to the very limit of his life ... to taste his feelings that flowing in his blood to its fullest. Does this make Yuuki the same as Rido?

      Anyway I understood what you are trying to say but even the love that Rido had for Juri is so different from Kaname’s love for Yuuki.
      Kaname puts over his desires Yuuki’s happiness, something that Rido failed terribly to do for Juri. Thus it is like we’re comparing the night with the day here.
      I disagree totally.
      I'm not saying Kaname is 100% equal to Rido
      But his DESIRES are the same...since Rido's inside Kaname now,they come to have the same desire to devour Yuuki,that's my Point...Sorry if i wasn't direct with my words in this post...but now i think i'm direct with youit's his desire that's the same,but Kaname is more controled than Rido at this point...he's older after all,since he put himself in slumber and after that turned into a baby's body to not hurt anyone...but still Rido's inside Kaname...and his DESIRE AS WELL...
      have i explained enough? scratch
      haha rofl but certainly Yuuki has the same vampiric desire for Kaname...to eat all of him...what a desire to consume another loved person. bounce
      To prove what i'm saying about Kaname and Rido watch what Kaname said about Rido and Him:[img][/img] argue
      that's what i'm trying to say...Rido is Kaname's mirror as well!
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      Re: Is Rido the same as Kaname?

      Post by aya-chan on Mon Jan 02, 2012 7:25 pm

      lililovelilica wrote:
      I'm not saying Kaname is 100% equal to Rido
      But his DESIRES are the same...since Rido's inside Kaname now,they come to have the same desire to devour Yuuki,that's my Point...

      I understand your point and the answer is no. this desire to devour is common to vampires who are in love:

      -> Rido loved Juuri and he had the same desire to devour her.
      -> Yuuki expressed her desire to devour kaname. no matter how much blood she will take from him is not enough.
      -> Kaname present the same desire
      -> Zero, before his departure with Yuuki, he said he cannot have enough.
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      Re: Is Rido the same as Kaname?

      Post by lililovelilica on Tue Jan 03, 2012 6:23 pm

      aya-chan wrote:
      lililovelilica wrote:
      I'm not saying Kaname is 100% equal to Rido
      But his DESIRES are the same...since Rido's inside Kaname now,they come to have the same desire to devour Yuuki,that's my Point...

      I understand your point and the answer is no. this desire to devour is common to vampires who are in love:

      -> Rido loved Juuri and he had the same desire to devour her.
      -> Yuuki expressed her desire to devour kaname. no matter how much blood she will take from him is not enough.
      -> Kaname present the same desire
      -> Zero, before his departure with Yuuki, he said he cannot have enough.
      But there are other things...Kaname said that he is "tainted"-the same as Rido...That desire is a different desire(aside from Yuuki and Zero)is a devious desire... scratch hum how can i say that...i fell(kinda)that it's different...both him and Rido have that feeling...that's why Rido attached himself with Kaname. pale but i don't want him to turn evil...Kaname's not evil like everyone's thinking...he's just pretending.
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      Re: Is Rido the same as Kaname?

      Post by Katherine on Thu Jan 05, 2012 12:57 pm

      lililovelilica wrote:
      aya-chan wrote:
      lililovelilica wrote:
      I'm not saying Kaname is 100% equal to Rido
      But his DESIRES are the same...since Rido's inside Kaname now,they come to have the same desire to devour Yuuki,that's my Point...

      I understand your point and the answer is no. this desire to devour is common to vampires who are in love:

      -> Rido loved Juuri and he had the same desire to devour her.
      -> Yuuki expressed her desire to devour kaname. no matter how much blood she will take from him is not enough.
      -> Kaname present the same desire
      -> Zero, before his departure with Yuuki, he said he cannot have enough.
      But there are other things...Kaname said that he is "tainted"-the same as Rido...That desire is a different desire(aside from Yuuki and Zero)is a devious desire... scratch hum how can i say that...i fell(kinda)that it's different...both him and Rido have that feeling...that's why Rido attached himself with Kaname. pale but i don't want him to turn evil...Kaname's not evil like everyone's thinking...he's just pretending.

      At first I almost died when I read what you said at first that Rido and Kaname are the same...unbelievable in my eyes. Rido had the dark sides that Kaname had (someone posted that idea yet, so no need for me to describe it longer) but Kaname has so much more inside of him...positive feelings and love...Rido was dissapointed by the way his life went, the woman he loved married his brother and he was alone...Maybe their evil sides are equally but Kaname has more than one side, their reasons are different too...

      To the last posts. Kaname is an ancestor, maybe his desire is slightly different and stronger. I´m sure that even purebloods changed a little. Although he saw a lot of things, maybe that influence his desire too (well in my point of view it is strong but like aya-chan said it´s only natural that people in love feel the desire differently...Rido was was dissapointed by love, so his desire can be different...furthermore the desire can differ in my eyes depending on the person, everyone loves differently or suffers differently, why can´t they ave a different desire)

      to the idea of the mirror in an early post: Rido talked and said a lot of things that touched Kaname, maybe we have to see that like a metaphore, the things he said mirror Kaname´s feelings and personality but not Rido himself completely....
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      Post by Bloodredhead on Thu Jan 05, 2012 8:26 pm

      Katherine wrote:At first I almost died when I read what you said at first that Rido and Kaname are the same...unbelievable in my eyes. Rido had the dark sides that Kaname had (someone posted that idea yet, so no need for me to describe it longer) but Kaname has so much more inside of him...positive feelings and love...Rido was dissapointed by the way his life went, the woman he loved married his brother and he was alone...Maybe their evil sides are equally but Kaname has more than one side, their reasons are different too...

      Katherine i fully agree with you. One thing is everyone has evil inside them. We all have the potential to be bad, its our choices that define if we are good and bad, and alot of kaname's choices in his life have shown he is good. (helping humans, cretaing anti-vampire weapons, protecting yuuki etc). Rido let his bad side consume him, kaname has not he has fought it like everyone does. Rido and kaname are very different characters, the meaning of when kaname said, 'he and rido were the same' wasnt referring to him as a whole, it was referring to one part inside kaname, not all of him, and its this side that he hasnt to me fallen to. Its really more a symbol/metaphor then an actual similarity.

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      Re: Is Rido the same as Kaname?

      Post by mariangie on Fri Jan 06, 2012 9:47 am

      This scene were Kaname is shown vomiting blood then pages later . Yuuki notices a blood stain at the floor .

      I think at last I know what it was the stain of blood shown at page 21 of chapter 66 !!!

      http://www.mangafox.com/manga/vampire_knight/v13/c066/10.html


      http://www.mangafox.com/manga/vampire_knight/v13/c066/11.html


      http://www.mangafox.com/manga/vampire_knight/v13/c066/21.html


      After reading some of the comments about Rido here . Seeing again the pic of Kaname carrying Rido's blood stain of chapter 44 .

      I think the blood stain it is indeed Rido .

      So it's possible Rido is literally inside Kaname .

      It this is true . Rido could try to use Kaname's body for his own agenda in the near future .( Aka : regenerating his body )
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      Post by Katherine on Fri Jan 06, 2012 4:40 pm

      Bloodredhead wrote:
      Katherine wrote:At first I almost died when I read what you said at first that Rido and Kaname are the same...unbelievable in my eyes. Rido had the dark sides that Kaname had (someone posted that idea yet, so no need for me to describe it longer) but Kaname has so much more inside of him...positive feelings and love...Rido was dissapointed by the way his life went, the woman he loved married his brother and he was alone...Maybe their evil sides are equally but Kaname has more than one side, their reasons are different too...

      Katherine i fully agree with you. One thing is everyone has evil inside them. We all have the potential to be bad, its our choices that define if we are good and bad, and alot of kaname's choices in his life have shown he is good. (helping humans, cretaing anti-vampire weapons, protecting yuuki etc). Rido let his bad side consume him, kaname has not he has fought it like everyone does. Rido and kaname are very different characters, the meaning of when kaname said, 'he and rido were the same' wasnt referring to him as a whole, it was referring to one part inside kaname, not all of him, and its this side that he hasnt to me fallen to. Its really more a symbol/metaphor then an actual similarity.



      Thank you very much Smile That´s exactly what I wanted to express Smile Kaname has an evil side no one can say something different but it is important to see that everyone has an evil side...Kaname has the potential to do evil but he decided to help humans as you said...Rido decided to do something evil...killing little baby´s for your own good is very evil and cruel and he did much more...It is simply wrong to say that they are the same...both of them have the power to hurt others for their own good but they use their power differently...and that is something that needs to show us that Kaname made a decision which is simply good, I hate it when people say that Kaname is evil, you have to see his good parts and especially what he HASN`T done...


      I think the blood stain it is indeed Rido .

      So it's possible Rido is literally inside Kaname .

      It this is true . Rido could try to use Kaname's body for his own agenda in the near future .( Aka : regenerating his body )

      I thought so too...Rido isn´t leaving so easily he has to become important again it only makes sense...I think too that he will try to make use of Kaname and his body but unfortunately we will have to wait until Hino reveals it to us Smile
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      Re: Is Rido the same as Kaname?

      Post by Akaruisama on Fri Jan 06, 2012 6:35 pm

      Katherine wrote:
      Bloodredhead wrote:
      Katherine wrote:At first I almost died when I read what you said at first that Rido and Kaname are the same...unbelievable in my eyes. Rido had the dark sides that Kaname had (someone posted that idea yet, so no need for me to describe it longer) but Kaname has so much more inside of him...positive feelings and love...Rido was dissapointed by the way his life went, the woman he loved married his brother and he was alone...Maybe their evil sides are equally but Kaname has more than one side, their reasons are different too...

      Katherine i fully agree with you. One thing is everyone has evil inside them. We all have the potential to be bad, its our choices that define if we are good and bad, and alot of kaname's choices in his life have shown he is good. (helping humans, cretaing anti-vampire weapons, protecting yuuki etc). Rido let his bad side consume him, kaname has not he has fought it like everyone does. Rido and kaname are very different characters, the meaning of when kaname said, 'he and rido were the same' wasnt referring to him as a whole, it was referring to one part inside kaname, not all of him, and its this side that he hasnt to me fallen to. Its really more a symbol/metaphor then an actual similarity.



      Thank you very much Smile That´s exactly what I wanted to express Smile Kaname has an evil side no one can say something different but it is important to see that everyone has an evil side...Kaname has the potential to do evil but he decided to help humans as you said...Rido decided to do something evil...killing little baby´s for your own good is very evil and cruel and he did much more...It is simply wrong to say that they are the same...both of them have the power to hurt others for their own good but they use their power differently...and that is something that needs to show us that Kaname made a decision which is simply good, I hate it when people say that Kaname is evil, you have to see his good parts and especially what he HASN`T done...


      I think the blood stain it is indeed Rido .

      So it's possible Rido is literally inside Kaname .

      It this is true . Rido could try to use Kaname's body for his own agenda in the near future .( Aka : regenerating his body )

      I thought so too...Rido isn´t leaving so easily he has to become important again it only makes sense...I think too that he will try to make use of Kaname and his body but unfortunately we will have to wait until Hino reveals it to us Smile


      It is good explanation of blood stains on the floor... but I don't know. If we agree on Rido's ability to act from the grave, we have to also accept the same ability of other pureblood like Yuuri and Haruka, Shizouka Hiou also.
      I think Rido can take place in further story but in form of evil soul, helpless but trying to do evil by taking influence of living's decisions.
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      Re: Is Rido the same as Kaname?

      Post by Katherine on Fri Jan 06, 2012 6:52 pm

      Akaruisama wrote:
      Katherine wrote:
      Bloodredhead wrote:

      Katherine i fully agree with you. One thing is everyone has evil inside them. We all have the potential to be bad, its our choices that define if we are good and bad, and alot of kaname's choices in his life have shown he is good. (helping humans, cretaing anti-vampire weapons, protecting yuuki etc). Rido let his bad side consume him, kaname has not he has fought it like everyone does. Rido and kaname are very different characters, the meaning of when kaname said, 'he and rido were the same' wasnt referring to him as a whole, it was referring to one part inside kaname, not all of him, and its this side that he hasnt to me fallen to. Its really more a symbol/metaphor then an actual similarity.



      Thank you very much Smile That´s exactly what I wanted to express Smile Kaname has an evil side no one can say something different but it is important to see that everyone has an evil side...Kaname has the potential to do evil but he decided to help humans as you said...Rido decided to do something evil...killing little baby´s for your own good is very evil and cruel and he did much more...It is simply wrong to say that they are the same...both of them have the power to hurt others for their own good but they use their power differently...and that is something that needs to show us that Kaname made a decision which is simply good, I hate it when people say that Kaname is evil, you have to see his good parts and especially what he HASN`T done...


      I think the blood stain it is indeed Rido .

      So it's possible Rido is literally inside Kaname .

      It this is true . Rido could try to use Kaname's body for his own agenda in the near future .( Aka : regenerating his body )

      I thought so too...Rido isn´t leaving so easily he has to become important again it only makes sense...I think too that he will try to make use of Kaname and his body but unfortunately we will have to wait until Hino reveals it to us Smile


      It is good explanation of blood stains on the floor... but I don't know. If we agree on Rido's ability to act from the grave, we have to also accept the same ability of other pureblood like Yuuri and Haruka, Shizouka Hiou also.
      I think Rido can take place in further story but in form of evil soul, helpless but trying to do evil by taking influence of living's decisions.

      He will become important in future, that´s absolutely clear...it makes sense too that he will play the soul who wants others to do evil too by convincing them...we already know that he tries to influence Kaname´s feelings...
      do you mean that it other´s who are dead can take place now too? They must have an ability that helps them doing it but I´m not sure if one of them will do it...it doesn´t seem like Hino is planing that...Rido is obvious...but I support you opinion that they have to be able to do something even in grave too
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      Re: Is Rido the same as Kaname?

      Post by Maria Kuran on Fri Jan 06, 2012 7:08 pm

      Akaruisama wrote:
      Katherine wrote:
      Bloodredhead wrote:

      Katherine i fully agree with you. One thing is everyone has evil inside them. We all have the potential to be bad, its our choices that define if we are good and bad, and alot of kaname's choices in his life have shown he is good. (helping humans, cretaing anti-vampire weapons, protecting yuuki etc). Rido let his bad side consume him, kaname has not he has fought it like everyone does. Rido and kaname are very different characters, the meaning of when kaname said, 'he and rido were the same' wasnt referring to him as a whole, it was referring to one part inside kaname, not all of him, and its this side that he hasnt to me fallen to. Its really more a symbol/metaphor then an actual similarity.



      Thank you very much Smile That´s exactly what I wanted to express Smile Kaname has an evil side no one can say something different but it is important to see that everyone has an evil side...Kaname has the potential to do evil but he decided to help humans as you said...Rido decided to do something evil...killing little baby´s for your own good is very evil and cruel and he did much more...It is simply wrong to say that they are the same...both of them have the power to hurt others for their own good but they use their power differently...and that is something that needs to show us that Kaname made a decision which is simply good, I hate it when people say that Kaname is evil, you have to see his good parts and especially what he HASN`T done...


      I think the blood stain it is indeed Rido .

      So it's possible Rido is literally inside Kaname .

      It this is true . Rido could try to use Kaname's body for his own agenda in the near future .( Aka : regenerating his body )

      I thought so too...Rido isn´t leaving so easily he has to become important again it only makes sense...I think too that he will try to make use of Kaname and his body but unfortunately we will have to wait until Hino reveals it to us Smile


      It is good explanation of blood stains on the floor... but I don't know. If we agree on Rido's ability to act from the grave, we have to also accept the same ability of other pureblood like Yuuri and Haruka, Shizouka Hiou also.
      I think Rido can take place in further story but in form of evil soul, helpless but trying to do evil by taking influence of living's decisions.
      I´m so agree with you! If Rido can do that, it means that others Pure Blood can also do it. But We have not seen anything yet. I believe That maybe some of Rido is inside of Kaname . But that "Rido" take over Kaname, I don´t think so. Perhaps the "bad" part of Kaname go to possess him. can be a possibility!!! affraid
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      Re: Is Rido the same as Kaname?

      Post by lililovelilica on Fri Jan 06, 2012 8:44 pm

      Maria Kuran wrote:
      Akaruisama wrote:
      Katherine wrote:


      Thank you very much Smile That´s exactly what I wanted to express Smile Kaname has an evil side no one can say something different but it is important to see that everyone has an evil side...Kaname has the potential to do evil but he decided to help humans as you said...Rido decided to do something evil...killing little baby´s for your own good is very evil and cruel and he did much more...It is simply wrong to say that they are the same...both of them have the power to hurt others for their own good but they use their power differently...and that is something that needs to show us that Kaname made a decision which is simply good, I hate it when people say that Kaname is evil, you have to see his good parts and especially what he HASN`T done...




      I thought so too...Rido isn´t leaving so easily he has to become important again it only makes sense...I think too that he will try to make use of Kaname and his body but unfortunately we will have to wait until Hino reveals it to us Smile


      It is good explanation of blood stains on the floor... but I don't know. If we agree on Rido's ability to act from the grave, we have to also accept the same ability of other pureblood like Yuuri and Haruka, Shizouka Hiou also.
      I think Rido can take place in further story but in form of evil soul, helpless but trying to do evil by taking influence of living's decisions.
      I´m so agree with you! If Rido can do that, it means that others Pure Blood can also do it. But We have not seen anything yet. I believe That maybe some of Rido is inside of Kaname . But that "Rido" take over Kaname, I don´t think so. Perhaps the "bad" part of Kaname go to possess him. can be a possibility!!! affraid
      Maybe Rido can make some moves on Kaname and make him doubt Yuuki?
      ps:i loved your supposition! geek
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      Re: Is Rido the same as Kaname?

      Post by nina on Sat Jan 07, 2012 3:22 pm

      mariangie wrote: This scene were Kaname is shown vomiting blood then pages later . Yuuki notices a blood stain at the floor .

      I think at last I know what it was the stain of blood shown at page 21 of chapter 66 !!!

      http://www.mangafox.com/manga/vampire_knight/v13/c066/10.html


      http://www.mangafox.com/manga/vampire_knight/v13/c066/11.html


      http://www.mangafox.com/manga/vampire_knight/v13/c066/21.html


      After reading some of the comments about Rido here . Seeing again the pic of Kaname carrying Rido's blood stain of chapter 44 .

      I think the blood stain it is indeed Rido .

      So it's possible Rido is literally inside Kaname .

      It this is true . Rido could try to use Kaname's body for his own agenda in the near future .( Aka : regenerating his body )

      Mm …We can’t exclude the possibility the stain on the floor to be Rido’s blood … However I have many reservations regarding the assumption that Rido can use Kaname’s body or that has the power to make Kaname do evil things. Ofc we are talking about fantasy-supernatural so the boarders are almost unlimited and everything can happen, thus there is space for many theories.
      Personally I wouldn’t like such unfoldment cuz I would find it an “easy” trick/way from the author to “justify” certain choices, as for example that Kaname had to leave Yuuki behind, I would like something more complex than that … but this is only my preference.

      But with the facts that we have thus far from the story I think there is some points that contradict such development. I’ll try to track them down.

      1. When Rido awakened Kaname, Kaname took/drank Rido’s blood directly >>
      http://www.mangareader.net/104-54910-6/vampire-knight/chapter-62.html

      >> so Rido in a way was inside Kaname from the very beginning of his “second” life. However even in that incomplete and weak state that Kaname was right after his awaking, Rido couldn’t defeat him or make him obey his orders. Kaname countered Rido, damaging his body and stopping his evil plan on the spot.

      2. Furthermore in spite that Rido was “inside” Kaname all along, we saw Kaname, even as a child, to defeat again Rido scattering him into thousand pieces when Rido attacked at the Kurans’ mansion to take Yuuki. Kaname couldn’t kill Rido once and for all but Rido as well couldn’t defeat or influence Kaname thus his plan came to halt again.

      3. Rido was defeated again by Kaname’s plan after Yuuki’s awaking … and Kaname destroyed as well the senate and Asato i.e. Rido’s allies.

      So how and where Rido had any kind of influence on Kaname thus far? Wouldn’t he realize it earlier? And I wonder; the fragments of Rido’s blood that attached to Kaname’s coat bearing more power to influence him than his blood that Kaname took directly from him?
      IMO, no … from what I know and have understood from the plot. Also as we know drinking from someone is like taking inside you the powers and the memories from that person … so even IF Yuuki couldn’t take Rido’s evilness cuz she didn’t drink directly from him, however taking in account this theory, Yuuki must have taken Kaname’s “evil” side … the side that is influenced by Rido no; something that I doubt that we’ll ever see … I mean an evil side in Yuuki.

      Furthermore … Kaname lived with Yuuki under the same roof for a year with the stated intention to spend with her millions of nights. So when he realized that he must distance himself from Yuuki in order not to harm her under Rido’s “spell”? When Rido first appeared in the mausoleum? But at that time Kaname, most likely from what we saw later, had taken his decision to actualize his original plan, thus he was tortured from his contradictions. And in any case eventually Kaname “set” Yuuki free … so again Rido didn’t push him in an evil direction.

      IMHO Kaname’s original plan – the one that it is running currently – never actually stopped. He hesitated to proceed with it yes, as he said as well, but from the words he said to the senate “you are the firsts to go” and especially after he found out that Sara had “captured” Takuma, which I think it happened very early, he knew that the bloody game was continuing … thus what made him to leave her was Sara’s plans (and whatever more it might be still hidden) and not Rido’s influence.

      For me Rido is used from Hino as a “tool” to show us Kaname’s inner thoughts, fears, contradictions etc since there is no one else to share them. She is using Rido’s fragments/spirit as a mirror to project Kaname’s POV.

      Though I’ve been thinking too that Rido might have a bigger role on the story in the future but a role that will have to do with the past … the part of Kaname’s past that it is still unknown. I think there is plenty of room there for the author to include Rido in Kurans’ past.

      For the above reasons I can’t bring myself to believe in this theory at least with what we have in our hands till now but I could be wrong.





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      Re: Is Rido the same as Kaname?

      Post by Katherine on Sat Jan 07, 2012 6:15 pm

      lililovelilica wrote:
      Maria Kuran wrote:
      Akaruisama wrote:


      It is good explanation of blood stains on the floor... but I don't know. If we agree on Rido's ability to act from the grave, we have to also accept the same ability of other pureblood like Yuuri and Haruka, Shizouka Hiou also.
      I think Rido can take place in further story but in form of evil soul, helpless but trying to do evil by taking influence of living's decisions.
      I´m so agree with you! If Rido can do that, it means that others Pure Blood can also do it. But We have not seen anything yet. I believe That maybe some of Rido is inside of Kaname . But that "Rido" take over Kaname, I don´t think so. Perhaps the "bad" part of Kaname go to possess him. can be a possibility!!! affraid
      Maybe Rido can make some moves on Kaname and make him doubt Yuuki?
      ps:i loved your supposition! geek

      That would be very sad, of course he can be able to influence Kaname in a bad way, Yuuki is his week point and we all know that we can be easily influenced concerning our week points (don´t know if you understand what I mean, somehow I don´t really know how to express myself today^^)

      Somehow I don´t think that he will be able to posess Kaname´s body, we all know how strong Kaname is...but I like nina´s way of thinking (by the way awesome post, I will give you a +rep in a minute):

      For me Rido is used from Hino as a “tool” to show us Kaname’s inner thoughts, fears, contradictions etc since there is no one else to share them. She is using Rido’s fragments/spirit as a mirror to project Kaname’s POV.

      Though I’ve been thinking too that Rido might have a bigger role on the story in the future but a role that will have to do with the past … the part of Kaname’s past that it is still unknown. I think there is plenty of room there for the author to include Rido in Kurans’ past.

      For the above reasons I can’t bring myself to believe in this theory at least with what we have in our hands till now but I could be wrong.

      Hino really shows us how Kaname feels, this mirrow-thing we talked about presents Kaname´s inner feelings and thoughts, it doesn´t mean that Rido and Kaname are the same...
      I like the idea of Rido be someone how may show us the dark parts in Kaname´s history, I think we all know that Rido was important and that he has to play a role in the future, by presenting Kaname´s past he plays some kind of a key and with that he may hurt Kaname...(for example when he tells something really dark that Kaname tries to hide from the world...) so if it´s like that he has the potential to influence the story in an evil way...

      Thank you too for explaining that Rido wasn´t able to influence Kaname in their past. Your examples really make sense...Kaname had some plan in the past too, I don´t think that it is only a plan he would do because of Rido, Kaname is really intelligent and thought about it, he knows what he wants to succeed with it...I will comment a little bit longer later but I´m kind of busy today ;)
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      Re: Is Rido the same as Kaname?

      Post by Maria Kuran on Sat Jan 07, 2012 6:22 pm




      (don´t know if you understand what I mean, somehow I don´t really know how to express myself today^^)

      Are you Kidding!! amazing post. Explain that Rido will perhaps be the one to reveal the truth that Kaname don´t want to say, (mostly to Yuki).

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      Re: Is Rido the same as Kaname?

      Post by lililovelilica on Sat Jan 07, 2012 6:35 pm

      Katherine wrote:
      lililovelilica wrote:
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      I´m so agree with you! If Rido can do that, it means that others Pure Blood can also do it. But We have not seen anything yet. I believe That maybe some of Rido is inside of Kaname . But that "Rido" take over Kaname, I don´t think so. Perhaps the "bad" part of Kaname go to possess him. can be a possibility!!! affraid
      Maybe Rido can make some moves on Kaname and make him doubt Yuuki?
      ps:i loved your supposition! geek

      That would be very sad, of course he can be able to influence Kaname in a bad way, Yuuki is his week point and we all know that we can be easily influenced concerning our week points (don´t know if you understand what I mean, somehow I don´t really know how to express myself today^^)

      Somehow I don´t think that he will be able to posess Kaname´s body, we all know how strong Kaname is...but I like nina´s way of thinking (by the way awesome post, I will give you a +rep in a minute):

      For me Rido is used from Hino as a “tool” to show us Kaname’s inner thoughts, fears, contradictions etc since there is no one else to share them. She is using Rido’s fragments/spirit as a mirror to project Kaname’s POV.

      Though I’ve been thinking too that Rido might have a bigger role on the story in the future but a role that will have to do with the past … the part of Kaname’s past that it is still unknown. I think there is plenty of room there for the author to include Rido in Kurans’ past.

      For the above reasons I can’t bring myself to believe in this theory at least with what we have in our hands till now but I could be wrong.

      Hino really shows us how Kaname feels, this mirrow-thing we talked about presents Kaname´s inner feelings and thoughts, it doesn´t mean that Rido and Kaname are the same...
      I like the idea of Rido be someone how may show us the dark parts in Kaname´s history, I think we all know that Rido was important and that he has to play a role in the future, by presenting Kaname´s past he plays some kind of a key and with that he may hurt Kaname...(for example when he tells something really dark that Kaname tries to hide from the world...) so if it´s like that he has the potential to influence the story in an evil way...

      Thank you too for explaining that Rido wasn´t able to influence Kaname in their past. Your examples really make sense...Kaname had some plan in the past too, I don´t think that it is only a plan he would do because of Rido, Kaname is really intelligent and thought about it, he knows what he wants to succeed with it...I will comment a little bit longer later but I´m kind of busy today ;)
      Thanks for the great explanation!
      it's really great to talk with people who has the same way of thinking as mine
      but i just wanted to discuss that evil side of Kaname that Rido is included...that's the thing they resemble...look like i'm right to think that way scratch

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