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    Is Yuuki Kuran a pawn in Sara's game?

    Post by KuranPrince on Thu Jun 23, 2011 9:12 pm

    Ever since chapter 73, I had a feeling that Sara is using Yuuki as a pawn (Yuuki taking 3-4 of Sara's tampered blood tablets)* in her scheme for all vampires' lust to go out of control. Just for that, I've created a poll for all of you to participate. Do you think Sara have used Yuuki in her sadistic game? Please feel free to post your question and comment.

    *That's before Sara created the improved flavor counterpart.


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    Re: Is Yuuki Kuran a pawn in Sara's game?

    Post by Bloodredhead on Thu Jun 23, 2011 9:19 pm

    i believe sara has and is using yuuki in her scheme. her altered blood tablets will obviously have an effect on yuuki and even the other vampires, if they havent already.

    one of the reasons i belive sara is at the academy is to use yuuki. also yuuki is the best way to get to kaname and probably bring him out in the open for an attack. sara knows this from what she has seen aswell as what she will have learned from takuma. yuuki is both kaname's strength and weakness. sara using yuuki would be a smart move on sara's part.
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    Re: Is Yuuki Kuran a pawn in Sara's game?

    Post by sweetsolace on Thu Jun 23, 2011 9:31 pm

    yes I think Yuki is being used through the tablets. She took some of them before and her lust increased , ofc this is debatable, for now.

    I think the effect of the tablets is insatiability, or urge to take real blood. Yuki took the tablets and she is still lusting. Normally vampires can be sated with just one diluted blood tablet, as shown with kaname doing this. Yuki took 3-4 tablets and she still lust the next day, for a pureblood I consider this quite wrong.

    i dont know how this effect will be useful in sara's plans, but this seems to be her goal.
    more discussion here
    http://vampireknight.all-up.com/t717-sara-s-bloodtablets#11563

    Sara was also stalking zero in this chap, saying she wants his blood. I think she wants to turn Zero into a pawn, and while Yuki drinks the tampered tablets she will lust and drink blood from her loved ones (zero or yori or anyone close).. Yuki would in a sense be playing into her hands, and more if Sara got Zero to be her pawn and Yuki relied on Zero's blood then she can control Yuki.

    Yuki who is kaname's fiancee. And Kaname who is her primary target.

    is how yuki could possibly be playing as sara's pawn.

    ofc this is debatable.
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    Re: Is Yuuki Kuran a pawn in Sara's game?

    Post by libra on Thu Jun 23, 2011 10:16 pm

    I think she is a pawn in Sara's game; she and everyone else in the story.

    The point is; is Yuki an everyone elese going to play her game?

    I know Kaname is not but I can't be sure about Yuki!
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    Re: Is Yuuki Kuran a pawn in Sara's game?

    Post by KuranPrince on Fri Jun 24, 2011 11:27 pm

    libra wrote:I think she is a pawn in Sara's game; she and everyone else in the story.

    The point is; is Yuki an everyone elese going to play her game?

    I know Kaname is not but I can't be sure about Yuki!


    I respect you on that one, Libra. After looking at chapter 73, I truly hate the way Sara uses Yuuki to believe Kaname murders Ouri.
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    Re: Is Yuuki Kuran a pawn in Sara's game?

    Post by Pinacolada on Sat Jun 25, 2011 3:32 pm

    I thought that becoming the new Queen of the vampire world is sara´s primary goal? why Kaname? is she lusting after him or what would you say?
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    Re: Is Yuuki Kuran a pawn in Sara's game?

    Post by KuranPrince on Sat Jun 25, 2011 4:23 pm

    Pinacolada wrote:I thought that becoming the new Queen of the vampire world is sara´s primary goal? why Kaname? is she lusting after him or what would you say?

    I personally don't think that's the goal Sara is achieving, Pinacolada, and she isn't lusting after Kaname. Her goals are to humiliate Yuuki and kill both Kurans (Yuuki & Kaname) in order to become the Queen of Vampires. Right now, she's going after Kaname's only weakness-- Yuuki.
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    Post by Bloodredhead on Sat Jun 25, 2011 6:07 pm

    KuranPrince wrote:
    I personally don't think that's the goal Sara is achieving, Pinacolada, and she isn't lusting after Kaname. Her goals are to humiliate Yuuki and kill both Kurans (Yuuki & Kaname) in order to become the Queen of Vampires. Right now, she's going after Kaname's only weakness-- Yuuki.

    i agree with you. her goal is to become queen by wiping out yuuki and kaname who stand in her way to the throne. like i said above yuuki is kaname's weakness, as if anyone threatened her, he would come out in the open to protect her, even if it cost him his life. the moment she is in danger he comes running we've seen this in the past. its a smart plan by sara to get close to yuuki, as by doing that she gets closer to kaname.
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    Re: Is Yuuki Kuran a pawn in Sara's game?

    Post by Akaruisama on Sat Jun 25, 2011 8:36 pm

    I think Sara is trying to use Yuuki as a pawn in her game. She can influences Kaname's act by doing it and she knows well about that.
    Perhaps she would try to have Yuuki on her side and make her betray Kaname. I hope Yuuki will stay loyal to him, in this moment it seems she doesn't waves.
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    Post by Pinacolada on Sun Jun 26, 2011 6:02 pm

    yeah but if Sara would really want to harm the kurans then Takuma won`t support her try to remember youselves the last chapter the yuuki said that he looks like disapointed by love or when she said :you really do love this person"reffering to Sara*
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    Post by sweetsolace on Sun Jun 26, 2011 6:21 pm

    No when Yuki said that, she was referring to Takuma being loyal to Kaname (since they were talking about him that time). Sara perhaps overheard and Takuma noticed and said, "Are you jealous because I'm loyal to Kaname?" and she slapped him. That means its true.
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    Post by juliet on Sun Jun 26, 2011 6:49 pm

    my poor Takuma she slaps him!!! How dare she?

    She should be doing this to Kaname!! explosive

    At least we now know what's holding him hypnotise Do not know if you noticed but she implies that she controls them through her blood?

    the president and the girls are bitten - it's obvious that they would be slaves -just to any pureblood vampire.

    But is it supposed Sara's blood to have controling abilities>? Is this what you understood?






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    Post by Pinacolada on Sun Jun 26, 2011 10:29 pm

    really? i thought that takuma falls in love with her and is now in a twist because on one hand he want to support sara and on the other hand he wants to be loyal to kaname..
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    Re: Is Yuuki Kuran a pawn in Sara's game?

    Post by nina on Mon Jun 27, 2011 3:11 am

    Apparently Yuuki is a pawn in Sara’s chess game … apart of being Kaname’s fiancée and his soft spot, she also holds the position that she’s aiming for … the “throne” of the vampires’ Queen.

    So even if Sara could accomplish to kill Kaname still the road won’t be open for her, hence Yuuki should be neutralized as well.

    Sara has shed light to some aspects of her plan …

    1. First she exposing to Takuma her ultimate goal …
    “Mark my words, one day I’ll be the Queen”. So her aim is stated.
    http://www.mangareader.net/104-40425-12/vampire-knight/chapter-56.html

    2. When Takuma found out, the prisoners and the president at her dungeon, she said …
    “ one piece take the other, and the last one wins” … so obviously she was planning to use her opponents/obstacles as pieces into her chess game.
    Notice who are her pieces … Yuuki, Kaname and Zero!

    http://www.mangareader.net/104-57815-40/vampire-knight/chapter-65.html

    (another side remark … in this pic Yuuki is depicted with her school uniform … I guess now we can safely say that it was foreshadowing for the next step of the plot … the re-establishment of the NC by Yuuki.<< hint; that Hino leaves behind trails that don’t seem as significant but apparently are).

    And the main question is, how is she planning to use them?

    As it seems for now, Sara badmouthing Kaname and throws to him all the blame for her crimes … aiming to what? Turning the hunters and vampires’ society, in the long run against him? Possible …

    She also stated in the past that she needs a hunter’s hand … Since she approached Zero, trying to make him drink her blood (viz submit him), we could assume that she considers Zero as the hand that she needs??? Maybe …

    Now about Yuuki …

    Sara also has stated … “Even the promises of trust and cooperation from comrades will someday fall apart …”

    http://www.mangareader.net/104-57815-38/vampire-knight/chapter-65.html

    “Breaking the contract without mutual agreements will make both sides armed to the teeth … that is what I want”
    http://www.mangareader.net/104-57815-39/vampire-knight/chapter-65.html

    … so in what contract is she referring to; >>> most likely to the agreement between vampires and hunters for co-existence …

    http://www.mangareader.net/vampire-knight/69/13

    Right now, since Kaname stepped down from his position, the one who carrying this responsibility is Yuuki.
    http://www.mangareader.net/vampire-knight/69/14

    According to Cross's words, if Yuuki doesn’t take the responsibility which originates from her royal blood, and gain the support of the nobles, then another PB will claim that role/power … (Sara??)

    Which was Yuuki’s plan in order to continue/refresh and reinforce this mutual agreement if possible; to get the support and maybe the trust of the nobles; to fill the vacant position of the leader?
    The re-establishment of the NC … as a symbol of her leadership and as a sign/message to vampires’ society that the same rules about co-existence still stands.

    So in which way can Sara “wipe off” Yuuki?
    1. Kill her
    2. Make her to seem incapable/unfit for the role/position she holds.

    Now … to try to kill Yuuki isn’t an easy task, considering that in a battle between two PBs the outcome isn’t guaranteed … if the PBs are the same powerful most likely the battle will end as a deuce. Not to mention that, even if Yuuki is a newbie PB still she has the advantage to wield an anti-vampire weapon. So apparently Sara needs the aid of a hunter. Another obstacle here …

    Also if she’ll kill her openly, is jeopardizing the opposition of the vampires’ society (Kaname’s example) and of course hunters as well. Furthermore Sara seems to be the sneaky type … she is progressing her schemes quietly, playing by the rules on the surface at least thus far.
    Ergo as an alternative or as a first step she may goes for the second option … viz neutralizes Yuuki by destroying her NC >> if the night class collapses, make it seem like Yuuki’s fault, then IMO she kills two birds with on stone … Yuuki will characterized as incapable to be the head of vampires and also the hunters will take a huge blow to their creditability and effectivity, considering that they are involved by permit/guarding/supervising Yuuki’s NC … (now comes to my mind Isaya’s words … “the reputation of the PBs has gotten pretty bad again … the same goes for the hunters …” )
    http://www.mangareader.net/vampire-knight/69/10

    For the PBs is understandable (Kaname's actions?) … but for the hunters why???
    And also the conversation between Cross and the congressman, Yori’s father …
    “ You mustn’t allow anything like last year to happen again …”
    http://www.mangareader.net/vampire-knight/71/2
    http://www.mangareader.net/vampire-knight/71/3

    Notice that Zero is also present in this conversation. Can all that, have anything to do also with Zero’s words to Yuuki?

    Zero: My blood
    Drink it
    If you keep being a coward like this
    Your night class will crumble

    Yuuki: I won’t take it
    I don’t want to
    Zero: I see, it will crumble then
    I can’t leave the responsibility of the night class to someone who shows so obviously in her face what she desires.

    I think so, cuz from the destruction of the NC both sides (hunters & Yuuki) have to lose a lot … “…and the last one wins” …






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    Re: Is Yuuki Kuran a pawn in Sara's game?

    Post by juliet on Mon Jun 27, 2011 1:02 pm

    What confuses me though is what Sara would do in case that the Nightclass was not created? How could she have predicted that fact and make pawns everyone around her?
    The fact that sets all reels in action seems to be Hanadagi’s murder, then Kaname states it’s time to leave…he chooses that moment when Sara attacks the Hanadagi castle to set his plan in action > thus abandon his position in the leadership> leave that position for Yuuki that tries to stand up to the Hunter’s expectation and to the nobles doubt and to represent the Kuran’s legacy.


    So it’s quite strange that Hanadagi’s murder leads to such an event…we are missing the lost dots there….

    Spoiler:

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    Now she has taken Takuma by her side and that also allows her entrance to the phaurmaceutical company...and the (informal) right to act on Takuma's behalf and contribute her share in improving the tablets?

    Hunters...they know Sara's implication with the tablets, they know that she is taking slaves, and yet they allow her entrance the moment that the project of nightclass is running/ a risky movement there on behalf of the hunters. Why?

    As you stated they all have expectations, the humans (coming from Yori's father, he does not want the NC to fail) - the nobles , entrusting Yuuki to carry on at the leadership and take responsibility for the co-existence agreement, the hunters (as Cross states Yuuki has to go on with the legacy of her familly).

    So Yuuki is exactly at the center (the main focus) of what is happening now.
    Protection> her protection can be the number one task of the hunters even though is not currently admitted.

    As you pinpointed Zero states exactly that at the current chapter> his move at first seems suprising, unexpected for his stance, but if you take all these pieces of information here and connect them, I think that his intention to act from the hunter's behalf and protect the nightclass, thus Yuuki first as she is the head of them, is obvious, that's exactly what he states;

    Now the question I can not avoid thinking...Does he know? Does he know that Yuuki is the aim/target at Sara's plans (whatever they are) and makes that move (to offer his blood) in order to help her?


    Zero: I see, it will crumble then
    I can’t leave the responsibility of the night class to someone who shows so obviously in her face what she desires.

    Isn't so just bloodlust that the hunters are fighting here, is it?






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    Post by sweetsolace on Mon Jun 27, 2011 3:23 pm

    nina wrote:
    She also stated in the past that she needs a hunter’s hand … Since
    she approached Zero, trying to make him drink her blood (viz submit
    him), we could assume that she considers Zero as the hand that she
    needs??? Maybe …

    why though? She was able to kill Hanadagi just by sneaking to him when he was sleeping and ripping his heart off, so if power is what she needed, she can do this... I think she needs a hunter's hand to kill someone. And that's either Kaname or Yuki, to accomplish her goal as queen.

    nina wrote:
    Sara also has stated … “Even the promises of trust and cooperation from comrades will someday fall apart …”

    http://www.mangareader.net/104-57815-38/vampire-knight/chapter-65.html

    “Breaking the contract without mutual agreements will make both sides armed to the teeth … that is what I want”
    http://www.mangareader.net/104-57815-39/vampire-knight/chapter-65.html


    so in what contract is she referring to; >>> most likely to
    the agreement between vampires and hunters for co-existence …

    Yes I think she plans to break her opponent's trust / cooperation with each other so they'll scatter and be more vulnerable to attack

    nina wrote:
    So in which way can Sara “wipe off” Yuuki?
    1. Kill her
    2. Make her to seem incapable/unfit for the role/position she holds.
    There were some references to Yuki being the butterfly and Sara being the spider in both manga, anime and in a VK picture.
    In the manga, Yuki's wings sprouted because of her desire to chase after Kaname.
    In the anime it showed Yuki with wings getting trapped by a spider web.
    In a vk picture Yuki has a tattoo of a spider web on her arm with butterfly's wings torn off
    http://picturepush.com/showformat.php?format=1024&image=5976509

    could this be a hint to what will happen? As of now we see Sara is destroying Yuki's trust on Kaname by telling lies and for a moment it worked... Perhaps Sara (spider) is planning to cut off Yuki's wings (butterfly) that wants to chase after Kaname by trapping her in her web of lies and deceit until Yuki is helpless?

    In this manner, Sara can kill her... And if she kills Yuki, she can become queen.

    EDIT:
    Sara is also doing the same thing with the hunters and Kaname, the treaty.

    “Even the promises of trust and cooperation from comrades will someday fall apart …”

    “Breaking the contract without mutual agreements will make both sides armed to the teeth … that is what I want”

    this can mean either Kaname and Yuki's relationship
    or Kaname and the hunter's treaty

    Kaname in a sense broke the contract without further notice when he was seen killing aido and hanadagi, and this way the hunters are all suspecting him. However Kaien says that Yuki must carry on as Kuran representative to continue this contract... so what does this mean? that even with kaname gone as a criminal this doesnt change the contract

    this can also mean to kaname and yuki... Sara deliberately lied to Yuki so she would be more apprehensive towards him.. then she planned to hire a hunter hand through zero... perhaps if yuki is vulnerable she would be more weaker and easier to kill through Zero? but we see sara did not accomplish that.. I think zero knows her plans so he fortified yuki with his blood so sara won't succeed. ofc this is just my guess

    nina wrote:
    Now … to try to kill Yuuki isn’t an easy task

    So apparently Sara needs the aid of a
    hunter. Another obstacle here …

    I think Sara first solicited for Zero's help. But that didn't happen. Maybe she has a back up plan. Ever wonder why she specifically targeted Zero to be her hunter hand? If you think what Sara did at the party where she killed Ouri, she can easily control any normal hunter, but she specifically went for Zero. Perhaps because she knew he was going to become the future leader of the hunters? if she can control that, it would definitely work to her advantage

    juliet wrote:
    What confuses me though is what Sara would do in case that the
    Nightclass was not created? How could she have predicted that fact and
    make pawns everyone around her?

    If she is like Kaname, then she plays according to the available cards currently being dealt... But if you think about this too much, its like the first arc where we question how Kaname could've known Zero would kill Rido and fulfill his prophecy... I think it just fell into place

    juliet wrote:
    Hunters...they know Sara's implication with the tablets, they know
    that she is taking slaves, and yet they allow her entrance the moment
    that the project of nightclass is running/ a risky movement there on
    behalf of the hunters. Why?

    yes I like to think their apparent stupidity has meaning, or it will be as it is, like you've noticed before that hunter in chapter 65 was looking at a building that is (presumably) where Sara stays, I think he already suspected Sara was creating a harem, but at that time she was already past building her harem, she was already starting her plan for the blood tablets. So when the hunter went there, he thought "Vampires what are your plans?" and he said something to the boy to tell "something" to the association.... What could that be? scratch
    Note this was the same hunter who allowed Sara to get in when she begged to be taken in.

    Apparently, Sara and her girl harem was only a "rumor" even among the nobles like Aido-dono
    http://www.mangareader.net/104-57815-33/vampire-knight/chapter-65.html
    And Kaname told him that he was going to cut off the root of this rumor --does this means he will prove Sara is creating harem ?
    So it was not confirmed she was even creating a harem. What prevents this investigation? scratch why are the hunters not doing anything? it seems really stupid for them not to even try to check her place just because she said she turned the girls because they wanted to.

    juliet wrote:
    Now the question I can not avoid thinking...Does he know? Does he
    know that Yuuki is the aim/target at Sara's plans (whatever they are)
    and makes that move (to offer his blood) in order to help her?
    maybe he knows, even if he does, he sure is not telling much its surprising to see him talk about Yuki in this chapter too but anyway, it seems he's moving forward at least...

    I also think its unusual that he helped her. Maybe he had already suspected something from Sara even at the party where she killed Ouri (all purebloods were suspect, that means including her) and now Sara says she's interested in him. If he connected that he may derive that conclusion.
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    Re: Is Yuuki Kuran a pawn in Sara's game?

    Post by juliet on Mon Jun 27, 2011 3:57 pm

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    juliet wrote:
    Hunters...they know Sara's implication with the tablets, they know
    that she is taking slaves, and yet they allow her entrance the moment
    that the project of nightclass is running/ a risky movement there on
    behalf of the hunters. Why?

    yes I like to think their apparent stupidity has meaning, or it will be as it is, like you've noticed before that hunter in chapter 65 was looking at a building that is (presumably) where Sara stays, I think he already suspected Sara was creating a harem, but at that time she was already past building her harem, she was already starting her plan for the blood tablets. So when the hunter went there, he thought "Vampires what are your plans?" and he said something to the boy to tell "something" to the association.... What could that be? scratch

    I do not have time to post the scan now, but that building was where the office of the president of the pharmaceutical company was. When the hunter notices it, Sara and Takuma (if I am not wrong ) are inside, at that point Takuma inroduces the president to Sara and Sara asked from Takuma to leave them alone.
    So if there is something that the hunter told to others it was the fact that Sara was there at the pharmaceutical company. So they do know her visit there and her possible interference.

    They now about the harem from Kaito and Zero and certainly is not a secret, as Aido's dad the same way, they all seem to know it.

    And the hunters may also suspect Sara for Ouri's death. Kaname mentioned that Sara was giving away the scent of her last meal- Zero was also quite close to her when he went to take Yori.

    And from Hanadagi's side there is that guardian girl that Sara had to injure to get through...

    that's the parts where the hunters had implication with Sara.

    Plus if they did not suspect Sara's plan and feel the danger they would not have taken Aidou for investigation in order to see if Kaname is aware of her plans and if he is her ally, it seems they wanted to know where Kaname stands so they better know their opponents. It seems they have their own agenda to monitor things but they remain silent.






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    Re: Is Yuuki Kuran a pawn in Sara's game?

    Post by sweetsolace on Mon Jun 27, 2011 4:36 pm

    juliet wrote:
    I do not have time to post the scan now, but that building was where the office of the president of the pharmaceutical company was. When the hunter notices it, Sara and Takuma (if I am not wrong ) are inside, at that point Takuma inroduces the president to Sara and Sara asked from Takuma to leave them alone.
    So if there is something that the hunter told to others it was the fact that Sara was there at the pharmaceutical company. So they do know her visit there and her possible interference.


    They now about the harem from Kaito and Zero and certainly is not a
    secret, as Aido's dad the same way, they all seem to know it.

    And
    the hunters may also suspect Sara for Ouri's death. Kaname mentioned
    that Sara was giving away the scent of her last meal- Zero was also
    quite close to her when he went to take Yori.

    And from Hanadagi's side there is that guardian girl that Sara had to injure to get through...

    that's the parts where the hunters had implication with Sara.

    Plus
    if they did not suspect Sara's plan and feel the danger they would not
    have taken Aidou for investigation in order to see if Kaname is aware of
    her plans and if he is her ally, it seems they wanted to know where
    Kaname stands so they better know their opponents. It seems they have
    their own agenda to monitor things but they remain silent.

    yes you're right I just checked
    http://www.mangareader.net/104-57815-7/vampire-knight/chapter-65.html
    http://www.mangareader.net/104-57815-10/vampire-knight/chapter-65.html

    so the hunter was checking on Sara but I don't understand he suspects there's something wrong but he still allows her in??
    http://www.mangareader.net/vampire-knight/71/28

    and if they really did suspect as anything shouldn't they have been more wary with her, Kaien on the other hand does nothing either

    in Aido's investigation they were mainly torturing him to know Kaname's plans since "he was always the one dealing with pureblood matters". It seems they were figuring out if Kaname and Sara are allies, but since that failed now that Sara entered the association telling her lies about Kaname, then that suspicion of them being allies is cancelled out. But the weird thing is that which Takuma already said, "Who will they believe, Kaname or Sara?" They are both equally suspicious and they are both just as obscured with their plans, but it still looks like Sara had bypassed that suspicion just by the mere fact that she is now inside the HA/academy, and can freely do her plans with the tablets AND her harem. scratch So does this mean the hunters believed her more ?
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    Re: Is Yuuki Kuran a pawn in Sara's game?

    Post by juliet on Mon Jun 27, 2011 6:40 pm

    so the hunter was checking on Sara but I don't understand he suspects there's something wrong but he still allows her in??
    http://www.mangareader.net/vampire-knight/71/28

    yes and that's preety much astonishing, i mean isn't there the co-existence project? Sara was taking slaves at another boarding school...so possible threat for the dayclass students
    Isn't there Yuuki and the nightclass? she was seen at the pharmaceutical company interfering with the president so possible threat with the nightclass students

    So a possible scenario of Sara's plan that I can think we all think about at the current phase...

    If Sara's tablets do not supply enough nutrition to the vampires or if they agitate them can be the end of the nightclass as we know since the vampires will probably turn to the desired prays >which is the desired pray for a vampire? humans

    then as Nina said all the co-existence plan is on the air>vampires feed on humans, are seeing as a threat

    hunters then turn against vampires> Yuuki has failed to take the control of the situation (she is suffering herself) and Sara who already has an army of suppoters made, presents herself as the best and most popular candidate, because her charmed vampires are listening her, thus she is a true leader example.

    hunters and vampires are against Yuuki and the nightclass> Sara is the next vampire leader and she legally has the power to exterminate Yuuki (the main person that can be accused of the condition in the academy).

    But such a scenario as the above rules out the hunters of the game, I do not think that they should be viewed as so reluctant and so passive and Sara if that's her plan must have a good plan to keep the hunters interest to another direction> Kaname? (see Hanadagi's murder makes Kaname get out to fulfill his plan...so is Kaname another chess piece to Sara's plan? yes...it could be.

    And also there is also the hunter's hand that Sara seems to need< it seems from her effort to charm Zero, taking him to side that she wants to be certain that she will have the overall protection and weapon when her time to confront Kaname comes, even though I think that her plan will be more cunning > blaming the nightclass' failure on Yuuki and burning Kaname with Ouri and Hanadagi murder plus Hio now, then both Kaname and Yuuki could be possible facing the hunters and not Sara, as she will enjoy protection. (imagine that plan coming to life? )

    Even though I tend to think that such a scenario for Sara's plan can be exaggerated, but you never know. The nightclass has opened to her a front that there was not there before and she seems to have plans there.

    And a bit on kaname's plan...

    We see that kaname wanted to fulfill his plans and he chooses to do this NOW? that Sara's danger is all over the place? example, Aidou's dad tells him that the half women in town are going to turn slaves of Sara...

    As I said before Sara intrusion to Hanadagi's castle seems to set the reels in action for Kaname's plan and Kaname sets out to do his own plan starting from Hanadagi..

    So is Kaname another piece in Sara's plan that falls into place as you said since Kaname in order to fulfill his plan and face whatever their is lying there, in reality "burns" himself to let the space for Yuuki and the nightclass.
    But with that move he has already served Sara's plan unintentionally and has functioned as another pawn at her game. Something rather suprising for Kaname.


    in Aido's investigation they were mainly torturing him to know Kaname's plans since "he was always the one dealing with pureblood matters". It seems they were figuring out if Kaname and Sara are allies, but since that failed now that Sara entered the association telling her lies about Kaname, then that suspicion of them being allies is cancelled out. But the weird thing is that which Takuma already said, "Who will they believe, Kaname or Sara?" They are both equally suspicious and they are both just as obscured with their plans, but it still looks like Sara had bypassed that suspicion just by the mere fact that she is now inside the HA/academy, and can freely do her plans with the tablets AND her harem. scratch So does this mean the hunters believed her more ?

    I think that right now the hunters should have seen that Sara and Kaname are two totally different and distinctive cases. What I also do not understand is since they interrogate Aidou being suspicious of Sara, why they do not interrogate Takuma? it could be easy plus if Takuma was protected by the hunters, he could easily tell them the truth about Sara, right now the one that looks more as an ally to Sara's plans is Takuma and not Kaname. And why does not Takuma warns the hunters by himself? we saw him free outside on his own, he comes and goes, so why not? he seems to resist her charming ways..a plot hole here?

    -But it would make so much sense if Takuma had ways to collaborate with the hunters all of this time, wouldn't it?

    example
    the hunters (zero and kaito) appear at the boarding school after receiving an anonymous phonecall...
    the day that Takuma takes Sara to meet the president of the pharmaceutical company the hunters are watching the building, how did they go there? coincidence?

    In this case the question is after she has taken slaves, what are they waiting for? lack of evidence?




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    Re: Is Yuuki Kuran a pawn in Sara's game?

    Post by sweetsolace on Mon Jun 27, 2011 7:57 pm


    hunters then turn against vampires> Yuuki has failed to take the
    control of the situation (she is suffering herself) and Sara who already
    has an army of suppoters made, presents herself as the best and most
    popular candidate, because her charmed vampires are listening her, thus
    she is a true leader example.
    Kaien says to Yuki that as Kuran representative she must continue what Kaname started, or else another pureblood will do the job. Yuki took the initiative to establish the night class, I think rather that Sara can mess with Yuki so that its her failure if she cant do it--and ultimately it will impact her reputation. If Yuki continues to fail that proves she is not fit to be the Kuran representative and another pureblood will assume her place. Then that is Sara, who is already leading the pack. Razz one more step to be a queen


    So is Kaname another piece in Sara's plan that falls into place as
    you said since Kaname in order to fulfill his plan and face whatever
    their is lying there, in reality "burns" himself to let the space for
    Yuuki and the nightclass.
    But with that move he has already served
    Sara's plan unintentionally and has functioned as another pawn at her
    game. Something rather suprising for Kaname.
    What's surprising is that Kaname's role in this chess game was NOT yet revealed. He is clearly a part of it and he's the chess master as Sara is. That IS surprising. And it seems like Sara is using this obscurity to her advantage. The question is, IF Kaname is also using this perception to his advantage. What is revealed now is a very plain and direction-less Kaname whose motives remain obscure and whose plan of action is vague, the question is WHY SO? There are few hints to suggest how he can deal with all this, or if he can deal with it at all, hence all the negative vibes coming from him about his "death". But what if his plan for Sara will result from Sara's plans?
    I don't think Kaname is playing into Sara's hands, it just seems to defy the high amount of foresight he showed in the first arc, so I like to think that its Sara who is playing into Kaname's hands. How so I can only guess, but it doesn't seem in-character for Kaname to be used by Sara (if he is being used, then that's probably because he allows himself to be used). If anything his movements are quite obscured and he just seems to be moving forward without addressing Sara's threat... or is it? Can you really believe that Kaname does not know and he has no plans for Sara? bounce It just seems too easy.


    I think that right now the hunters should have seen that Sara
    and Kaname are two totally different and distinctive cases. What I also
    do not understand is since they interrogate Aidou being suspicious of
    Sara, why they do not interrogate Takuma? it could be easy plus if
    Takuma was protected by the hunters, he could easily tell them the truth
    about Sara, right now the one that looks more as an ally to Sara's
    plans is Takuma and not Kaname. And why does not Takuma warns the
    hunters by himself? we saw him free outside on his own, he comes and
    goes, so why not? he seems to resist her charming ways..a plot hole
    here?
    That's why the way to go there looks as if it was conceived rather poorly... The hunter's obvious indifference towards Sara's suspicions is suddenly dropped on the background after Kaname was suspected, and no further mention was made after the hunter visits the pharmaceutical building. I mean, the hunters are even acting like Kaname by letting her do what she wants! Everyone seems to have freeze as Sara moves around, there's no suspicion,she comes off clean. It even seems conspired, as if the world decided she should have her way and no one should know about it. This is what it appears on the surface and I would ofc want an explanation for this apathy.

    -But it would make so much sense if Takuma had ways to collaborate with the hunters all of this time, wouldn't it?

    example
    the hunters (zero and kaito) appear at the boarding school after receiving an anonymous phonecall...
    the
    day that Takuma takes Sara to meet the president of the pharmaceutical
    company the hunters are watching the building, how did they go there?
    coincidence?

    excellent point there juliet! cheers This might explain why the hunters are letting her go. The previous encounter with Sara proved she was scheming and clever, so they can't arrest her with poor evidence. So if what you say is true, then Takuma is working like an undercover agent Cool he's leaking information to the hunters...but again, if they just need hard evidence to catch her on the act, why stretch it this far that she was even able to make the tablets? confused
    It is tooo eerie that the hunters are quiet on Sara. And she is running too freely its almost as if someone is leading her to believe she is not suspicious. confused Kaien too, we all noted he was acting as if he knew something and was just stating things from matter of fact... he is not really interfering with anything and just seems to be observing..

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    Re: Is Yuuki Kuran a pawn in Sara's game?

    Post by juliet on Mon Jun 27, 2011 8:37 pm


    hunters then turn against vampires> Yuuki has failed to take the
    control of the situation (she is suffering herself) and Sara who already
    has an army of suppoters made, presents herself as the best and most
    popular candidate, because her charmed vampires are listening her, thus
    she is a true leader example.
    ehh I still don't see how Sara can become a leader by scheming all of this.


    If she could manage all the above that part would be the easiest one because the throne of the vampire's leader would be empty, as nina had said Yuuki would have proved totally incomptentent, wothless leader that did not control the nightclass, exposed the vampire's existence to the dayclass students, put them in danger and can not (and that's the most important part) rule, restrain her vampires. Now with the throne empty, who would be the most approriate candidate?

    Of course all these are a scenario here, but let's just examine it, it's fun...

    The nobles would need someone who they could fear as to oblige - the hunters would also want that so that they are certain that the leader would keep vampires constrained. So let's take the purebloods (Yuuki according to the above scenario is already out of the way)...

    -Kaname is already out of the way - dangerous bersek, neither the vampires nor the hunters would trust him.
    -Touma; is missing but we still have his hat.
    -Hio (he had a legacy over lunacy- now if Kaname would not kill him, he would not be preferred anyway)
    -Hanadagi? (has left us seasons)

    Who else is there?

    -Isaya; he was always a mere spectator as he has said.

    Now Sara comes first in power (after Kaname) she did not drink Ouri and ate Hanadagi's heart over nothing, she has a privilege, she has supporters (harem and slaves made, remember the captives at the cellar?)
    And she has the magic solution to restore the supposed gone bersek vampires when they were under Yuuki's control...bloodtablets, she will restore the magic formula that will make both vampires content and hunters happy. All she misses is the anti-vampire power to make certain her position over all...but I think that's something she intends to take as her desires show.

    Now wouldn't that be an awesome victory? and with very few blood shed. I do not say that this is her plan but it could develop that way...along with many other ways of course.




    But what if his plan for Sara will result from Sara's plans?
    I am not sure how you mean it but I am thinking that it is indeed Sara's plan that pushes Kaname away to fulfill his own...So somehow it feels like she had also foreseen that move, it fits her plans so much, so its like he is dancing to her plan or appears that way but as we know this is NOT Kaname.

    From Kaname's POV it was like he was waiting for that moment also (he monitored the Hanadagi area) and so he knew that he would be leaving soon to fulfill his plan, that moment came. He seems also to have foreseen the path Yuuki would follow, he told her "Not to hesitate". So its really confusing here who of the two dances around...


    How so I can only guess, but it doesn't seem in-character for Kaname to be used by Sara (if he is being used, then that's probably because he allows himself to be used). If anything his movements are quite obscured and he just seems to be moving forward without addressing Sara's threat... or is it? Can you really believe that Kaname does not know and he has no plans for Sara? bounce It just seems too easy.

    No I do not believe it. Kaname's plan somehow seems more massive, something that would include not only Sara but Sara also. But if we see it under this perspective they are both running to catch each other in terms of time. If Sara accomplishes her goal first perhaps that messes Kaname's plan because he would have to come back and change his plan to focus specially on her. If Kaname reaches his goal that's probably the end of Sara's plan.


    It even seems conspired, as if the world decided she should have her way and no one should know about it. This is what it appears on the surface and I would ofc want an explanation for this apathy.
    Me too also...there seem to be many elements still missing.

    It is tooo eerie that the hunters are quiet on Sara. And she is running too freely its almost as if someone is leading her to believe she is not suspicious. Kaien too, we all noted he was acting as if he knew something and was just stating things from matter of fact... he is not really interfering with anything and just seems to be observing..

    Okay, rofl rofl rofl I changed my mind, a visit to Sara's cellar would be enough for evidence and the president's confession about what Sara did to the tablets and him, anyway I hope that there is an explanation there for the hunters lack of control there or that would be dissapointing.






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    Re: Is Yuuki Kuran a pawn in Sara's game?

    Post by sweetsolace on Mon Jun 27, 2011 9:19 pm

    juliet wrote:

    hunters then turn against vampires> Yuuki has failed to take the
    control of the situation (she is suffering herself) and Sara who already
    has an army of suppoters made, presents herself as the best and most
    popular candidate, because her charmed vampires are listening her, thus
    she is a true leader example.
    ehh I still don't see how Sara can become a leader by scheming all of this.

    If she could manage all the above that part would be the easiest one because the throne of the vampire's leader would be empty, as nina had said Yuuki would have proved totally incomptentent, wothless leader that did not control the nightclass, exposed the vampire's existence to the dayclass students, put them in danger and can not (and that's the most important part) rule, restrain her vampires. Now with the throne empty, who would be the most approriate candidate?
    But in the first place Kurans already have bad reputation because of
    what Kaname did. This made Kaname's previous position rickety and already liable to be replaced. The nobles recognized this and Yuki barely got their
    support when she asked. So even there it was already bleak.

    Yuki is the last strand to this.

    Yuki was the one who decided to build the NC again, and she asked Takuma to be the dorm president, not her. But she is the one moving the entire class right affraid And she carries this responsibility. Odd.

    By establishing the NC Yuki is also salvaging the Kuran name if it turns out to be successful. And if it fails it will completely affect it.

    So far I don't see any "problems" in the night class... do you? it seems only abandonment issues with half the night class leaving her, and yuki getting cornered by that vampire no one ordered her to take on. LOL if i were in her night class i would leave too LOL first time seeing a pureblood become an errand girl really this is a huge laugh and O.o

    but anyway if what you say is true then sara could make this come true by making yuki fail in any way. As we saw now she is already failing because of her urges (zekis say its zero related, we say its the tablets) but yes if its the tablets then it fits doesnt it? if yuki took it, then her urges increased and without kaname then she has no blood source... i doubt sara would let this pass it seems she knows yuki would have alternatives , but meh anything can happen


    The nobles would need someone who they could fear as to oblige - the hunters would also want that so that they are certain that the leader would keep vampires constrained. So let's take the purebloods (Yuuki according to the above scenario is already out of the way)...

    Now Sara comes first in power (after Kaname) she did not drink Ouri and ate Hanadagi's heart over nothing, she has a privilege, she has supporters (harem and slaves made, remember the captives at the cellar?)
    And she has the magic solution to restore the supposed gone bersek vampires when they were under Yuuki's control...bloodtablets, she will restore the magic formula that will make both vampires content and hunters happy. All she misses is the anti-vampire power to make certain her position over all...but I think that's something she intends to take as her desires show.
    Now wouldn't that be an awesome victory? and with very few blood
    shed. I do not say that this is her plan but it could develop that
    way...along with many other ways of course.

    oh i see now. this point of view seems very reasonable.

    just pointing out that the nobles want a pureblood who has no interest in killing or controlling them as kaname had done, the hunters need someone who can lead the vampires hence lessen the vampire crimes and their workload.
    With Sara she would defy all this with her tendency to make everyone her puppets, like what she's doing to Takuma. She would probably distribute her blood through the tablets until the vampires who took it are obedient to her.
    When that happens no vampire will ever complain or go against her anymore because she won't let them in the first place! cheers Hence its a cheated victory for her throne...
    Now she would have no need the antivampire ability... if she already controlled half the masses right. they would do the killing for her.
    And the hunters who are happy with such easy lifestyle and nothing to do at all with Sara just playing with her slaves, 0% crime rate and 100% salary, who could be more happier than the hunters? cheers they would kill anyone who would oppose her, hence serving as her "hunter's handss" perfect victory...

    No I do not believe it. Kaname's plan somehow seems more massive, something that would include not only Sara but Sara also. But if we see it under this perspective they are both running to catch each other in terms of time. If Sara accomplishes her goal first perhaps that messes Kaname's plan because he would have to come back and change his plan to focus specially on her. If Kaname reaches his goal that's probably the end of Sara's plan.
    I think that's the reason that Kaname is going to the academy next. He can't let her go free for too long especially if it involves Yuki i doubt he would let that happen. im hoping for this... bounce
    i agree with you if kaname makes his move its probably the end of her. Razz



    Okay, I changed my mind, a visit to Sara's cellar would be enough for evidence and the president's confession about what Sara did to the tablets and him, anyway I hope that there is an explanation there for the hunters lack of control there or that would be dissapointing.
    well... there's always the option to interrogate her...

    haha. imagine sara being interrogated by the hunters...chained down there..
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    Re: Is Yuuki Kuran a pawn in Sara's game?

    Post by rumland on Mon Jun 27, 2011 9:38 pm

    Hmm some one who is as powerfull as a pb, is able to weild an anti vampire weapon, has a fearsome enought presince so the other pb's wont move against him, and is able to keep the hunters in line.
    KK I got it.
    Sara is going to set zero up as the king of vampires, then he also retains the president of the HA postion, and sara trys to get zero the drink here blood so she can control him, then she orders him to knock her up, she then uses the baby to force him into marriage and becomes the queen of both the vampires and the hunters.
    Umm some how I image zero getting killed by yuki in that kind of situation.

    Zero "Hey umm yuki I want to interduce you to my new wife and the mother of my child"
    Sara Walks up.
    Yuki's jaw drops.
    Sara "No hard feelings right, I mean you dont need him anymore, you got kaname, come zero my little doggy"
    sara turns to walk away
    zero goes to follow
    Yuki "WHAT THE HELL"
    yuki pulls out artimis
    Yuki "HOW DARE YOU TOUCH ANOTHER WOMEN ZERO"

    LOL not that this would ever happen, but it would be funny Razz
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    Re: Is Yuuki Kuran a pawn in Sara's game?

    Post by juliet on Mon Jun 27, 2011 9:48 pm

    sweetsolace wrote:



    So far I don't see any "problems" in the night class... do you? it seems only abandonment issues with half the night class leaving her, and yuki getting cornered by that vampire no one ordered her to take on. LOL if i were in her night class i would leave too LOL first time seeing a pureblood become an errand girl really this is a huge laugh and O.o


    Oh no, this scenario is based if Sara gives to nightclass the tablets that would not satisfy their bloodlust, only in this case. If she does not do it, Yuuki has hopes, but other than that if Sara messes the vampires with bloodlust generated with the tablets (and if Yuuki takes the tablets too), the dayclass might become the food of the day...

    So for next lunch we are having that brunette that sits next to the window, LOL.

    But of course we do not know how the blood tablets will act on vampires...
    what if they charmed them and controlled them like Sara does with her slaves? then all the nightclass could listen to Sara instead of Yuuki?

    Yuuki: Haha, imagine that, Yuuki; please fellow class mates follow me...
    Students; ah we are following Sara, who put you in charge anyway?

    But I tend to think more nice as a scenario to see Sara turning all the nightclass into bloodthirsty beasts, muhaha, at least the hunters would move their b****. rofl rofl rofl






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    Re: Is Yuuki Kuran a pawn in Sara's game?

    Post by VampireCythia on Tue Jun 28, 2011 12:02 am

    rumland wrote:Hmm some one who is as powerfull as a pb, is able to weild an anti vampire weapon, has a fearsome enought presince so the other pb's wont move against him, and is able to keep the hunters in line.
    KK I got it.
    Sara is going to set zero up as the king of vampires, then he also retains the president of the HA postion, and sara trys to get zero the drink here blood so she can control him, then she orders him to knock her up, she then uses the baby to force him into marriage and becomes the queen of both the vampires and the hunters.
    Umm some how I image zero getting killed by yuki in that kind of situation.

    Zero "Hey umm yuki I want to interduce you to my new wife and the mother of my child"
    Sara Walks up.
    Yuki's jaw drops.
    Sara "No hard feelings right, I mean you dont need him anymore, you got kaname, come zero my little doggy"
    sara turns to walk away
    zero goes to follow
    Yuki "WHAT THE HELL"
    yuki pulls out artimis
    Yuki "HOW DARE YOU TOUCH ANOTHER WOMEN ZERO"

    LOL not that this would ever happen, but it would be funny Razz
    Hahaa LOL
    Sara is not that desperate to get Zero join her war. And PureBloodXHunter = tabu you all know the hunters was made by the Pureblood to kill the other Purebloods so allmost(Not the Chairman) all Hunters hates Purebloods and for them it´s something in the blood. And i have the thought if a Pureblood get a child just to say it it would be a killing machine. Hunters have killing in the blood and we know Purebloods is very very strong so = Killing machine I´m glad Sara not have think about that because that would be the perfect pawn and if she really have thought about I can only say "Oh no..."

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