Duskola wrote:Still, do Zekis ever notice that Zero has never been satisfied by Yuuki's blood? I'd really like to know what they think about it!
if they noticed it they avoid it, or try to find excuses.
Despite the fact zero took yuuki's blood before parting, supposely the blood of his love one, we see him a year later chunking down pills; afraid to live among humans. also his thirst is visible on his face.
The thirst of a vampire can be quenched only by the blood of his love one didn't work for him.
Zekis says that "right away after yuuki takes kaname's blood she's unsatisfied but once she took a bit of zero's blood her thirst was quenched"
What "right away" means? minutes after she drank blood? hours? because "right away" yuuki is not hungry but several months later.If i will apply their logic on zero then zero's thirst was quenched by sara. days after he drank her blood he doesn't seems hungry to me.
aya! As always you don’t beat around the bush looool
Right, this unsound allegation first hits Zero’s feelings for Yuuki and creates questions as for how much Yuuki’s blood can sate him; since after he drank from her so many times and more importantly AFTER he was stabilized as a Level-d we saw him plenty of times to have thirst fits. I.e. according to that “twisted logic” Zero wasn’t sated from Yuuki lol
So ironically the one who crushes first this inconsistent “interpretation”
(if not desperation )
is Zero’s case!
However this satiety issue I think is more complex and IMO multifactor. I’ll give my interpretation trying to base it on indicative clues and factual events as much as I can. First I think there is confusion about the satiety since its getting mixed with vampires’ instinctive need for blood.
All vampires have the natural need for blood … all of them. So at some point they will feel thirsty and if I can make an analogy with humans’ needs it’s like humans will get hungry, without ofc saying that vampires will die if they won’t drink blood… no.
So vampires in order not to harm humans can easy their natural need for blood
by using the best equivalent, the blood tablets if they do not have a partner. However this doesn’t mean that the blood tablets can sate or satisfy them as much as the fresh blood.
Here we should make an important distinction between the natural need/thirst
for blood and the satiety/completeness
that a vampire can derive from >> blood tablets, human blood, PB’s blood, lover’s blood etc.
I think it’s apparent that the vampires by using blood tablets are deriving the lowest satiety i.e. they cover only their basic/natural need for blood but still is enough to easy/control their instinctive thirst under normal circumstances
Now in Yuuki’s case.
The first inconsistency that I detect in the notion that Yuuki wasn’t satisfied by Kaname’s blood hence
she felt thirsty at some point is exactly what I said above i.e. that it is deterministic
that Yuuki would have felt thirsty at some point based on the natural need of all vampires for blood.
Even in the case that Yuuki was completely sated from Kaname’s blood (or anybody else’s) still this doesn’t mean that she could have led a life without bloodlust!
Another factor that has been overlooked and reinforces the above ^^^ is the interval between the last time that Yuuki drank from Kaname and the time she shows the first hints of thirst.
As it’s been revealed from Yuuki’s/Yori’s convo, it had passed almost 6 months from the last time that Yuuki drank from Kaname! >>
Yori is giving us the info that since the soirée it has been 6 months … so, since Yuuki drank from Kaname for the last time a little after the soiree, then this means that Yuuki was deprived from blood at least for months
That alone it would have been the sufficient explanation, as of why Yuuki would have had felt thirsty. Plus the FACT that Yuuki was attracted from Yori’s human blood nullifies another allegation … that Yuuki wanted Zero’s blood i.e. that HE was the source of Yuuki’s hunger lol.
But Hino is giving us and another factor that explains Yuuki’s thirst even after she had blood tablets >> the fact that she was a newbie vampire hence she had difficulties to control her hunger
as been stated much later as additional info >>>
So I think it is undeniable that Yuuki was hungry/thirsty as would have been ANY vampire under these conditions and it has nothing to do with the question IF Yuuki was sated from Kaname’s blood or not << this is irrelevant with the fact that Yuuki had thirst fits!
However there are more things that IMO worsen Yuuki’s thirst … that is her emotional state >> the re-opening of the NC and the responsibilities that burden her, her bad relationship with Zero (at that point), Sara’s “revelations” about Kaname etc. All these piled up more stress on Yuuki’s already bad emotional state after Kaname left her.
I’m mentioning this, because my understanding is that the emotional state of a vampire can influence in great degree the feeling of thirst, satiety and the intervals that a vampire can withstand without having bloodlust hence and we have different expressions of fits, of how much intense the fit could be and variety to intervals depending on vampires’ personality I suppose and their mentality.
That being said and since we cleared up the part of the natural need for blood I’ll come to the satiety issue which is the perplexed one and IMO has to do with emotional reasons i.e. is related more with the feeling of satisfaction and fulfillment.
And here lies Kaname’s wording that a vampire can only be satisfied/sated from its lover. Kaname doesn’t mean to be covered the basic need for blood but he talks mostly about emotional satiety AND via blood cuz in the blood vampires can sense the feelings. >>
Yuuki: I want to bite into his beautiful white throat and taste the dark red blood imbued with his feelings … this is my heartfelt wish…
Or another proof is Kaname’s past … he didn’t want to fallen in love, in order to avoid all these implications … yet he was taking blood from the humans using syringes i.e. he was covering only his basics needs for blood but this was enough since he wasn’t in love.
Isn’t logical? For example… can any human being to be sated emotionally and mentally from a person that isn’t in love with; regardless of how much is been loved … the only person who can satisfy all your senses, physical and emotional, is the person whom you’re IN LOVE with.
Again this doesn’t mean that by taking once the blood of your lover you can sustain without taking its blood never again << this is silly firstly because in this case we wouldn’t have the issue that vampires and especially the immortal PBs have difficulties (and this is an understatement!) to live without their mates… and secondly is like saying that a person in love if will have one kiss, one hug from its lover will be forever sated and won’t need another kiss for the rest of its life! O.O
Is this possible; or sane? Of course not … thus and vampires who are IN LOVE long for the blood of their lovers always and in such degree that they want to devour them! Well we can make some analogies with the humans but we cannot also forget that we are talking about vampires i.e. beasts.
Duskola wrote: As I think blood urge = sexual needs, if they say "once and no more", is like saying: you have sex once with your partner, and then... well.... stop for your whole life!
Exactly Duskola! You have been more daring than me haha but yes I agree that between vampires-lovers
the bites and the drinking of blood have sexual innuendos.
For me with this Hino wanted to convey the passion, the lust, the insatiable desire
to feel the love from your lover which in vampires case is expressed AND through the blood! Thus as long as a vampire is in love can’t never stop wanting, longing the blood of its lover no matter how much it will take!
Either way this is what clearly stated from Zero > for Yuuki … from Yuuki > for Kaname and from Kaname > for Yuuki.
Zero --- > Yuuki
Yuuki <---> Kaname
Whereas in Yuuki’s case regarding Zero … she states the exact opposite >> that just a bit of blood would be enough in order to cool down her thirst and do her job. << This automatically implies that Yuuki all that she wanted was fresh blood
i.e. that Zero’s blood covered her basic need for blood
without further emotional implications.
So instead of trying to twist around the entire theme of bites/blood desire ect just because Yuuki’s head cooled down from a bit of blood we can simply accept what Yuuki was trying to say to Zero >> I’m thirsty … I need some fresh blood to regain my composure thus a bit would be fine.
And this is not only words just in front of Zero because she doesn’t want to admit her feelings for him but apparently is what Yuuki truly feels since next we have her own inner thoughts about that bite >>I showed my fangs to the person who I NEVER thought of obtaining blood from…
OR a different versionI’d just used my fangs to bite a person whom I had NEVER intended to wish for his blood…
So this ^^^ IMO answers to another interpretation of the past regarding the one part of Yuuki’s heart which was “translated” as an expression of Yuuki’s desire for Zero’s blood as well.
I will not unfold again my reasoning as for what led Yuuki to say this phrase in the past since after the updated Yuuki’s statement “I had never wished his blood” the issue is already addressed.
Plus her own characterization and feelings about that phrase >>
Yuuki: Those excessive words I so childish said
OR I selfishly told him those terrible things…
So now Yuuki seems to have regretted for these terrible, selfish, excessive, childish words … not a very good ground I suppose to be based the Zeki romance since this was the greatest proof from many Zekis thus far…
And let’s see from WHOM she wanted to take blood from, when she was hungry at the academy …
Yuuki: I’m becoming more irritated about myself being like this… I’m weak and I cannot take away the thing I want with my own fangs.
What Yuuki wants??? Instead of guessing why not relying on what she actually says clearly? >>
Yuuki: The thing I want … I can’t because the person I can take it away from is not by my side right now…
The depiction of Kaname there doesn’t leave any space to doubt as from whom Yuuki wanted to take blood
>> and is even nullified the argument that Yuuki states that wanted Kaname’s blood cuz he made her to promise to take only his blood… as Yuuki states >>Even if you hadn’t said that to me I would have done so… you know Kaname…
Thus it is not a matter from whom she was allowed to take blood but clearly a matter of Yuuki’s wish and desire.
Moreover when on the next page Yuuki imaging Kaname to hugging her
What’s the purpose of the above imaginary hug huh? Is for decoration; or to convey without doubt that Yuuki was missing Kaname … that she was missing his hug, his love AND his blood?
In conclusion about Yuuki’s bite to Zero is that we had a repetition of Kaname’s bite to Ruka … Kaname “used” Ruka as Yuuki’s replacement (as he also says) since he couldn’t have her blood and Yuuki “used” Zero as a source for the needed fresh blood and as replacement of Kaname something that is been reinforced from the further development (>>My Kaname, you didn’t come to take me as before, pierce my heart with your sword, I belong to Kaname etc)
Additionally Hino gave us indicative clues and for Kaname’s insatiable desire for Yuuki’s blood just before Kaname leave Yuuki ... while he had just taken of Yuuki’s blood still we see him to feel thirsty and taking blood tablets >>
Why Kaname feels thirsty? I know some fans are interpreting this scene again with the convenient yet baseless notion that Kaname wasn’t in love with Yuuki hence her blood couldn’t sate him! O.O
Unfortunately for them though Yuuki has a different opinion … and here is another mistake in the scanlation, where they based their “argument” that Kaname didn’t truly love Yuuki >>
Whereas as many of us supported is Yuuki who is saying “you love me… you do love me…” >> (from volume 14)
Yuuki: Please don’t go out today …
We can cuddle together and you can drink all the blood you want… You’ve been looking at me as if you want to drink my blood…
And of course he wanted it … now that we do know what Kaname was doing there i.e. he was saying his farewell to his love we can imagine his emotional state?! T_T
Thus and his craving for her blood hours after he had tasted it … because as many times and if you kiss, hug, say I love you to your lover, will never be enough when you have to say goodbye, no? T_T
Hence and just before he goes at the academy where he had to play that role in front of Yuuki, saying these hurtful words to her he had that nightmare where we’re seeing him to lick Yuuki’s blood from the floor >>
That was one hell of a long post and I had more to write but I’ll stop here