conditions have change but I do not see contradiction points between the
two plans. Both Asato and Sara were seeing humans as slaves, they both
want the Kurans to fall and remain at the top of the pyramid, Asato did
want to exterminate all purebloods and I see that Sara’s actions have
put in the game other purebloods as well>
Asato clearly said that he was using Rido to bring down Kaname, he sent Takuma to the academy to spy on him which failed, he lay guardianship over Kaname after his parents were murdered, all that to find a way to kill him and the rest of the purebloods.
Sara also does similar things as him when she kidnapped Takuma to get info on Kaname, but the problem is not her plans but how her actions fit into this supposed plans.
For example, she killed Ouri at the party, causing suspicion that was not directly implicated to the organizer of the party, Kuran---the suspicion spread out to all purebloods at the party, and they didn't manage to rule out the suspect. It was supposed to be a party to show how many supporters Kaname has, but not directly for peace purposes. So what Sara did there it only created a bad reputation for the purebloods, but not to Kaname.
And if what Sara said in chapter 65 is connected to her purpose in disrupting the "agreement" in that incident at the ball (chapter 53-54) the timing and place where she said it seems inappropriate, not to mention delayed: Takuma was there, when in fact she can tell him her purpose after she killed Ouri on the car after the ball, not chapters later.
Touma trying to stop Yuki from going any further seems like a reasonable argument, I find it a good observation, however he was prompted when Yuki made a careless remark against his bats, so what if she didn't? Kaname punished Touma then afterwards by invading his castle, which was like a declaration of war.
Kaname and Sara's plans seem to work together on the surface:
-Kaname allowed Sara to get away with killing Ouri
-Kaname allowed Sara to take Hanadagi's heart and he also cleaned up after her.
-Sara's actions seems careless enough to leave the mess for Kaname to clean up, which might mean she is confident he will clean it. She didn't actually kill Hanadagi for herself (if her plans involve killing all purebloods) rather she escaped with only the heart in tow and left Hanadagi alive.
if anything its Sara and Kaname whose plans are looking like its headed towards the same direction, in a way that they're both making the reputation of the purebloods bad: Sara by making her tablets and her harem, Kaname through killing purebloods. So maybe, just maybe, that they have the same means but different ends, like Kaname wants coexistence thru this and Sara wanted to be queen?
well but I suppose it depends on how its viewed, I see Sara and Kaname's plans are similar in terms of the effects, and Sara and Asato's plans are similar because of the means they do to achieve it
agree that the president’s words seems pro peace but eventually as I
wrote in my previous post, he never had to know the scope, the first
goal was to make a research so that he could get some results of it, one
thing at the time.
why he never had to know the scope? he is the president of the company and Asato is just the founder, the founder has no control over the operations of the tablets, he only supplies financial support and other back ups, thats the purpose of the president, to rule over any decisions made towards the tablets. The company was made to supply blood tablets. but since the question is about the Research, in reality we can only make assumptions as to who ordered it and who started it since really, there is no way for you to tell that founder Asato ordered president to do it, especially when they have different views (Asato is bad, President is good etc) .
Asato said that he wanted to extinguish all purebloods and Sara says that wants one person to be left alone in the end, not I…
well technically its not the same at all.
asato wanted ALL purebloods gone, sara wants everyone BUT HER gone.
The tablets have as a target the general population> this does
not change the fact that Sara may want to get all the purebloods out of
the way so she has no rivals for the throne. The one point does not
contradict each other because there are two dimensions here; purebloods
and general vampires/ex-humans that can be controlled with pureblood
powers. And apparently her control over the general population will give
her an army that can also protect her and support her majesty in
relation to how accepted and favorite among others she will be> (see
this actually highlights her priorities----that she wants to be Queen more than she wants to eliminate everyone. Its as if she wants to experience the feeling foremost more than the idea of actually killing any purebloods because so far she is not moving towards it.
another things that contradict here:
she says she wants everyone but her to vanish --but does she say what race she wants to kill? no... and if she does mean she wants all purebloods to vanish but her, it contradicts her intentions in chapter 71 when she made Kaname more evil in everyone's eyes by passing her kill to him... Kaname is doing her supposed wish to get rid of everyone but her, and she is turning against him by provoking the hunters and even Yuki to take arms against him.
Another thing Sara needs a hunter's hand to accomplish her goal, if she plans to do this then where is the hunter's hand? Zero was a candidate but she stopped pursuing him after that one moment. So exactly how important is a hunters hand for Sara, in equivalent sence how important is it for her to kill the rest of her race? IMO not that much...seeing as she went for domination first..
This is why I asked you if your disagreement concerns Asato’s
plan in overall thus the fact that Sara wants to dominate all, remain
the one and bring down pacifism or if you disagree just with the
you asked me?? I did not read it..
And here youre saying that Asato and Sara's plans are the same but Asato doesnt want to be a king, he wants purebloods to vanish, while Sara wants to sit on top of the throne..
the tablets theory was more like she wants to dominate everyone, for everyone to be her puppets, rather than to kill purebloods.
And Sara also accidental moves in for the research that suits her plans
and can be used to do terrible things? Or discovers it with her visit
there? No, she knew that the president had a research there, that’s why
she visits him. That’s why she wants to control the pharmaceutical
company and she also needs Takuma. And Takuma says that Sara was a
person that the president had met in the past. But when in the past?
Because it seems that after Asato’s death, Takuma has not visited the
in chapter 65 the president says when he was in prison:"I intend to understand the danger concerning purebloods... But I cant believe I was caught off guard"
not only does he emphasize the word "I" pertaining himself as the one who operates the research but he also makes it seem like he had make a mistake in exposing that research to Sara. He was "caught off guard" possibly indicates that Sara did something to squeeze the research out from him.
Her prior visit to him means she has established enough friendship/familiarity to be used as a decoy to get him into her trap... of which he apparently fell for. "he was caught off guard" because he thought Sara was an acquaintance, having known her in the past, he would not suspect she had such intentions.
If Sara needs this step> making slaves and an army to secure her
position, imagine how much Asato would be needing such a thing. And here
is where the president’s phenomenal research becomes handy.
I still do not see how a dead man can have involvement into this, if for some reason he had secured Sara to be his successor somewhat shouldn't he have prepared for this by making it more easier for her? Like telling the president in advance to give their research to her so she would not have any difficulty having to control him? she has to act like the president was in actual opposition to her plans, and it doesnt even make sense that he would not know he was working on something evil considering his morals show that he doesnt want chaos.
For the vampires the greatest danger that the purebloods summon is the
use of the controlling powers. So I think that this was the research
about- how dangerous the powers can become if used under certain ways
and the effects over the population> not just the powers but the
actual use of the powers that eventually create the danger. At least
that’s how I interpret this phrase in relation to how Sara uses this
research to do terrible things> I suspect that the ultimate use of
the tablets is to tame and to control the vampires as Sara wants.
I see what you mean and I agree, finally, lol. So again it goes back to the question what does Sara wants most? Its to become queen, not to kill everyone so she will be alone to rule, I believe by her hands and actions she does more things that will make everyone be controlled and hypnotized by her, especially the tablets, her harem, prisoners, etc. The killing part is just one of her plans IMO because I dont see her interested in it.
@Yuki being pursued
The circumstances to which she was hid and the moment she is turned is what I'm questioning, not that the Senate wishes for young blood because that is obvious. Another thing I suspect here is that when the real baby Kaname was born Haruka and Juri did not seem like they wanted to hide him, it was only after he was killed that they became armed to the teeth towards Yuki. So why the change there? If Kaname was not taken by Rido, would they have hid him or turned him into human? and again why Haruka and Juri waited until Yuki was five years old and their house was under attack that she decided to turn Yuki? she can do it right after she was born but she had to let her live for five years old.
@the senate and the tablets
the senate is dead. the tablets that were started by the senate were taken over by Sara with her new goals. New goals.
I just dont see how this two connect on the same sentence because both asato and the senate are dead and they didnt look like they left will and testaments to the others... lol.
All these of course are a theory but the link between Asato and the
president existed, the intention was there and the tablets eventually
were used to reach the general population > could Asato disregard
such an opportunity to finally manipulate the powers of the purebloods
and establish his position that as a noble he needed more than actually
Sara needs it right now? I do not exclude the possibility because it
blends many elements together.
the only link that exists is that Asato is the founder of the company and the president is the president, theres no real connection they didnt even talk about any research. Who knows if the pres is even the same pres as the one in Asato's time or he was replaced, after all he is probably human..
and you actually said it... he had the means to make it happen through the tablets but for some reason he hired a president of the company that didn't want chaos and instead he used Rido to achieve his plans (instead of the tablets)... so what does this mean??? how are they related when the views are different in the first place?
Also why Sara would need “to put her fangs” into a contract that
concerned president’s research? It was so easy for her to make him a
submissive puppet as she did actually. I think her line “put my fangs”
was meant metaphorically and not literally. But I could be wrong though …
another translation it shows "agreement" not contract.... its an assumption that she and the president made an agreement before during her last visit (as mentioned) and presumably when she found out he was not seeing things the way she did she thought it became unreliable and made him into a puppet.